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    "Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Kazakhstan, Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Polynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in Korea and Manchu people, it displays its highest diversity among modern populations of India. It is therefore hypothesized that Haplogroup C-M130 either originated or underwent its longest period of evolution within India or the greater South Asian coastal region. The highest diversity is observed in Southeast Asia[contradictory] , and its northward expansion in East Asia started approximately 40,000 years ago."



    Only Kazakhstan is mentioned of all Turkic countries with the main haplogroup C-M130. Could be said that it is confirmed that Kazakhs are actually turkified?

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    Not really. They are only about 60% Mongoloid and have a lot of Scythian/Aryan admixture. Mongolians are 80-90% Mongoloid.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...iww/edit#gid=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Not really. They are only about 60% Mongoloid and have a lot of Scythian/Aryan admixture. Mongolians are 80-90% Mongoloid.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...iww/edit#gid=0
    I mean by Y-DNA. Their Y-DNA clade is same exactly as Mongol one. And it is known already in history that Golden Horde were turkified Mongols. So, aren't Khazaks their descedants?

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    Kazakhs are a mixture between Turkified locals who were Iranians, Turkic migrants, and Mongols who all mixed together to form the Kazakhi ethnos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Kazakhs are a mixture between Turkified locals who were Iranians, Turkic migrants, and Mongols who all mixed together to form the Kazakhi ethnos.
    Is their C-M130 actually Mongolic-related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Is their C-M130 actually Mongolic-related?
    Most likely, yes. Most of the Mongol soldiers were men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    I mean by Y-DNA. Their Y-DNA clade is same exactly as Mongol one. And it is known already in history that Golden Horde were turkified Mongols. So, aren't Khazaks their descedants?
    Yes, I got you. Maybe that's the founder effect, I don't know. But I do know they're not identical autosomally.

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    Almost all Turkic steppe peoples are genetically mixed with Mongols. There are historical sources saying that a 30,000 Mongol squad has settled in Turkey. Only Kumyks and Karachais have no connection with Mongols.
    Interestingly that Mongolian haplogroups appeared among Turkic peoples living west of the Urals mainly not during the Golden Horde, but much later.

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    http://bashkirica.ru/upload/iblock/f...09378fb338.pdf
    Mongols among bashkirs:
    В конце XVII в. большая
    группа так называемых аюкинских калмыков,
    недовольных политикой своего правителя
    Аюки-тайши, откочевала на Южный Урал
    и вошла в состав башкирского народа
    google translate:
    At the end of the XVII century a big
    group of so-called Ayukino Kalmyks,
    dissatisfied with the policy of their ruler
    Ayuki-Taishi, migrated to the South Urals
    and became part of the Bashkir people

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    I think they're more like Mongolified Turkics.

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