Worst ideology?

[Joe McCarthy]

Just some basic choices. Hopefully we can see some elaboration for why choices are made.

[The Lawspeaker]

Capitalism. Under communism and nazism tyranny is something to take for granted but capitalism also brings tyranny in a great number of cases.

[Raskolnikov]

Capitalism is an ideology?

- You can have capitalism with or without complete free market rules.

- The 'Washington concensus' is supposedly to spread the 'free market' and 'democracy'

- neoclassical economic ideologies ('libertarianism') are often beyond or against republicanism or democracy

[Falkata]

Aren´t the choices a bit limited?
And the EU is capitalist for example?

[Joe McCarthy]

Capitalism is an ideology? You can have capitalism with or without complete free market rules.

The very concept of ideology comes from Marx, and he regarded capitalism as the ruling ideology of the dominant class - the bourgeoisie.

I'll grant though that some reasonable bickering over the concept of capitalism as ideology is doable, but then I'm trying to simplify concepts here.

[Odoacer]

Capitalism. Under communism and nazism tyranny is something to take for granted but capitalism also brings tyranny in a great number of cases.

Huh? Because you can't take tyranny for granted under capitalism, therefore it is the worst of the three?

I'm having a hard time choosing between Nazism & communism. I'm going to vote for communism, though, because its inherent internationalism makes it slightly more dangerous.

[Troll's Puzzle]

it's hard to say (worst for what?) but since communism fucked up every country it was tried in I'd go for that.
'capitalism' - depends, the kind of capitalism european countries did in the 1800's etc made them very powerful, but the kind of capitalism people refer to with terms like 'anglo-american' or the 'washington consensus' & the associated ideology of free markets backed by the theory of competitive equilibrium & the 'rational self interested man' looks like it might ultimately leave those countries in a worse state than communism left eastern europe.
All praise supply side Jesus!

[Labeat]

Capitalism is not ideology what the hell are you talking about, capitalism is system.

[Raskolnikov]

The very concept of ideology comes from Marx, and he regarded capitalism as the ruling ideology of the dominant class - the bourgeoisie.

I'll grant though that some reasonable bickering over the concept of capitalism as ideology is doable, but then I'm trying to simplify concepts here.

This is what I meant, basically:

In the Marxist economic base and superstructure model of society, base denotes the relations of production, and superstructure denotes the dominant ideology (religious, legal, political systems). The economic base of production determines the political superstructure of a society. Ruling class-interests determine the superstructure and the nature of the justifying ideology—actions feasible because the ruling class control the means of production. For example, in a feudal mode of production, religious ideology is the most prominent aspect of the superstructure, while in capitalist formations, ideologies such as liberalism and social democracy dominate. Hence the great importance of the ideology justifying a society; it politically confuses the alienated groups of society via false consciousness, such as in the case of commodity fetishism—the belief that value is inherent to a commodity, rather than external, added to it via labor.

[Joe McCarthy]

The problem with that Wiki description is that when Marx defined ideology and critiqued capitalism, social democracy was in its infancy, and by no means dominant.

Essentially he was describing a system prevailing which held to the leftovers of feudalism and mercantilism, added to incipient free enterprise. It's also a stretch to necessarily describe what he was critiquing as liberal, especially on the continent.

But again, I am simplifying things for the purposes of a poll.