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    great cycle in Russian language about Belarusian towns on Belarus24 channel, they - contrary to the other part of Rzeczpospolita, recognize the common heritage

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    Russians are concerned about growing Pro-Polish sentiments in Belarus.

    Excerpts from a Russian article about it:

    "В Белоруссии разворачивается вялотекущая война символов, сталкиваются два толкования истории – пропольское и общерусское (пророссийское). Благодаря активности польской ирреденты в Белоруссии отмечаются особенно громко и пышно трагические даты польско-русской истории (антироссийские восстания поляков 1794, 1830, 1863 гг., Польский поход РККА 1939 г. и т.д.). [...] С некоторых пор в республике принялись возрождать польско-шляхетские традиции: возобновились сценические представления в Радзивилловском замке, в Несвижской ратуше был торжественно установлен штандарт 27-го полка уланов Войска Польского, во многих областях отреставрированы польские памятные знаки. Часто это финансируется из госбюджета.

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    Литвинизм – искусственно созданная теория преемственности белорусской государственности от Великого Княжества Литовского (ВКЛ). Белорусы в понимании адептов литвинизма – не белорусы, а литвины, потомки населявшего ВКЛ народа. Если литвинисты и готовы хотя бы частично признать правомочность существования белорусского народа, то его связь с народом русским они отметают. При этом часть литвинистов признаёт восточнославянское происхождение белорусов, но считает их политически менее успешными родственниками поляков, а другая часть отрицает восточнославянские корни белорусов, заменяя их легендами о балтском происхождении."

    Translation to English:

    "In Belarus the list of national war heroes is gradually changing, there are two interpretations of history - pro-Russian interpretation and pro-Polish interpretation. Thanks to activity of Polish organizations in Belarus, Belarussians are now commemorating tragic events from Polish-Russian history as their own tragic events (for example Polish anti-Russian uprisings in 1794, 1830, 1863, the invasion of Poland by the Red Army in 1939, etc. (...) At some moment Belarussian people have begun to revive the traditions of Polish-gentry culture and tradition, scenic views of the Palace of Radziwills in Nieswiez were renovated and the standard of the 27th Lancers Regiment of the Polish Army was displayed there. In many areas of Belarus historical Poland-related memorials are being restored by Belarussians. Often it is financed from the state budget.

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    Litvinism - the theory of continuity between modern Belarusian statehood and that of the old Grand Duchy of Litva (GDL). Belarusians in the understanding of modern Belarusian followers of Litvinism are (...) descendants of the people who inhabited the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Followers of Litvinism ideology are willing to recognize the validity of existence of a separate Belarussian nation, but they dismiss all connections of this nation with the Russian people. In this part of their ideology, the Litvinism movement recognizes an Eastern origin of the Belarusians, but they consider Belarusians as politically less successful relatives of the Poles, who have more in common with the Poles than with the Russians."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Russians are concerned about growing Pro-Polish sentiments in Belarus.

    Excerpts from a Russian article about it:

    "В Белоруссии разворачивается вялотекущая война символов, сталкиваются два толкования истории – пропольское и общерусское (пророссийское). Благодаря активности польской ирреденты в Белоруссии отмечаются особенно громко и пышно трагические даты польско-русской истории (антироссийские восстания поляков 1794, 1830, 1863 гг., Польский поход РККА 1939 г. и т.д.). [...] С некоторых пор в республике принялись возрождать польско-шляхетские традиции: возобновились сценические представления в Радзивилловском замке, в Несвижской ратуше был торжественно установлен штандарт 27-го полка уланов Войска Польского, во многих областях отреставрированы польские памятные знаки. Часто это финансируется из госбюджета.

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    Литвинизм – искусственно созданная теория преемственности белорусской государственности от Великого Княжества Литовского (ВКЛ). Белорусы в понимании адептов литвинизма – не белорусы, а литвины, потомки населявшего ВКЛ народа. Если литвинисты и готовы хотя бы частично признать правомочность существования белорусского народа, то его связь с народом русским они отметают. При этом часть литвинистов признаёт восточнославянское происхождение белорусов, но считает их политически менее успешными родственниками поляков, а другая часть отрицает восточнославянские корни белорусов, заменяя их легендами о балтском происхождении."

    Translation to English:

    In Belarus the list of national war heroes is gradually changing, there are two interpretations of history - pro-Russian interpretation and pro-Polish interpretation. Thanks to activity of Polish organizations in Belarus, Belarussians In Belarus they are now commemorating tragic events from Polish-Russian history as their own tragic events (for example Polish anti-Russian uprisings in 1794, 1830, 1863, the invasion of Poland by the Red Army in 1939, etc. (...) At some moment Belarussian people in the republic, they have begun to revive the traditions of Polish-gentry culture and tradition, scenic views of the Palace of Radziwills in Nieswiez were renovated and the standard of the 27th Lancers Regiment of the Polish Army was displayed there. In many areas of Belarus historical Poland-related memorials are being restored by Belarussians. Often it is financed from the state budget.

    (...)

    Litvinism - the theory of continuity between modern Belarusian statehood and that of the old Grand Duchy of Litva (GDL). Belarusians in the understanding of modern Belarusian followers of Litvinism are Litivins, (...) descendants of the people who inhabited the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Even if followers of Litvinism ideology are willing to recognize the validity of existence of a separate Belarussian nation, but they dismiss all connections of this nation with the Russian people. In this part of their ideology, the Litvinism movement recognizes an Eastern origin of the Belarusians, but they consider Belarusians as politically less successful relatives of the Poles, who have more in common with the Poles Balts than with the Russians."

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    Btw, the articles in Russian from where these quotes had been taken ^ are at least 6 years old:
    https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2012/07/0...401.html?print
    http://lt90.org/reviews/ap_articles.php?article_id=246

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