Ethnologue lists France as a country where Portuguese, Spanish and Italian are spoken

[Sebastianus Rex]

They always did - the Southern Euros have been there for slightly longer than the North Africans, plus there are some South Americans in Paris in particular too.

Yes, southern european immigration to France precedes the north african immigration.

[ÁGUIA]

Yes. Paris also occasionally known around here as the second most Portuguese city in the world.
https://tvi24.iol.pt/politica/dia-de...al-de-portugal
They went there in big numbers under Salazar dictatorship especially from Northern Portugal. We have an unfair semi stereotyped vision of them though. Like Seb mentioned the "Jean-Pierre arrête, arrête-toi. Tu vas tomber filho da puta!" screaming speech it's almost iconographic of our summers, specially in the little villages.

We called them in a somewhat derogatory way, Avec (s). It was after the great wave of emigration in the 1960s, that gave rise to the expression 'avec'. From all over our country, but especially in the north, hundreds of thousands of Portuguese went looking for jobs and a better life in France. Most of them were poorly educated people, and when they returned home on their summer vacations, they spoke a mixture of Portuguese and French that invited the people in here to make fun/jokes of them. Hence the 'avecs' are the ones who return to the village with the good cars, new customs, many stories to tell, and eager to show off they made it.

They are ok, most just good hardworking people. We tend at times to be ill mannered/rude and bitchy against our own people. There's no bigger enemy to a tuga than other tuga himself.
What's is more funnier is most of us have family there, I for example I have plenty of them in Paris and other cities.

[Cernunnos]

Paris has the biggest Portuguese community abroad, around 250K Portuguese in the Paris region, the 2nd largest foreign community after Algerians. The figures easily could double if Portuguese descent persons would be included.

Until a few years ago before Paris SG became a rich club, I remember that when Benfica played in Paris there was always more Benfica supporters than supporting the local team. The stadium was full of Portuguese immigrants.

Portuguese football team SL Benfica sells more Football Skirts in France than Real Madrid.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Yes. Paris also occasionally known around here as the second most Portuguese city in the world.
https://tvi24.iol.pt/politica/dia-de...al-de-portugal
They went there in big numbers under Salazar dictatorship especially from Northern Portugal. We have an unfair semi stereotyped vision of them though. Like Seb mentioned the "Jean-Pierre arrête, arrête-toi. Tu vas tomber filho da puta!" screaming speech it's almost iconographic of our summers, specially in the little villages.

We called them in a somewhat derogatory way, Avec (s). It was after the great wave of emigration in the 1960s, that gave rise to the expression 'avec'. From all over our country, but especially in the north, hundreds of thousands of Portuguese went looking for jobs and a better life in France. Most of them were poorly educated people, and when they returned home on their summer vacations, they spoke a mixture of Portuguese and French that invited the people in here to make fun/jokes of them. Hence the 'avecs' are the ones who return to the village with the good cars, new customs, many stories to tell, and eager to show off they made it.

They are ok, most just good hardworking people. We tend at times to be ill mannered/rude and bitchy against our own people. There's no bigger enemy to a tuga than other tuga himself.
What's is more funnier is most of us have family there, I for example I have plenty of them in Paris and other cities.

Me too, I have alot of relatives in France (my family is mostly from Lisbon/Santarem/Leiria triangle. My maternal grandparents emigrated to France in the early 1960's (62 or 63), as clandestines, they had to cross the borders on foot, between the bushes and forests, escaping from the authorities...in some aspects even worse than refugees from ME and Africa nowadays because there was no one to help them or rescue them.

[Cernunnos]

Me too, I have alot of relatives in France (my family is mostly from Lisbon/Santarem/Leiria triangle. My maternal grandparents emigrated to France in the early 1960's (62 or 63), as clandestines, they had to cross the borders on foot, between the bushes and forests, escaping from the authorities...in some aspects even worse than refugees from ME and Africa nowadays because there was no one to help them or rescue them.

I thought the overwhelming majority of Portuguese in France descended from people who lived in Tras os Montes and Guarda areas.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I thought the overwhelming majority of Portuguese in France descended from people who lived in Tras os Montes and Guarda areas.

The majority are but there's also many from the center (Leiria-Coimbra) and a minority from other regions.

[Tooting Carmen]

Paris has the biggest Portuguese community abroad, around 250K Portuguese in the Paris region, the 2nd largest foreign community after Algerians. The figures easily could double if Portuguese descent persons would be included.

Until a few years ago before Paris SG became a rich club, I remember that when Benfica played in Paris there was always more Benfica supporters than supporting the local team. The stadium was full of Portuguese immigrants.

Excluding mixed-race people of colonial descent, would you estimate that there are more Portuguese descendants in France or Brazil?

[Sebastianus Rex]

Excluding mixed-race people of colonial descent, would you estimate that there are more Portuguese descendants in France or Brazil?

Brazil for sure.

[Comocudostrouxas]

France is only 50% ''ethnic French'' if by French you mean the populations descending from ethnicities originary from modern borders of ''France''. Now it has around 20% non-European population as well.

The place is basically multicultural, there's no way to turn France ''French'' again.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Excluding mixed-race people of colonial descent, would you estimate that there are more Portuguese descendants in France or Brazil?

There's currently 5 million Brazilians who can apply for Portuguese citizenship because they either have Portuguese grandparents or parents. And I would bet that at least 190 millions have Portuguese ancestry, even if remote.