Ethnologue lists France as a country where Portuguese, Spanish and Italian are spoken

[Tooting Carmen]

There's currently 5 million Brazilians who can apply for Portuguese citizenship because they either have Portuguese grandparents or parents. And I would bet that at least 190 millions have Portuguese ancestry, even if remote.

I doubt Portuguese ancestry in Brazil is that overwhelming. After all, what about all the Spanish, Italian, German, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Turkish, Lebanese and Syrian descendants there?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I doubt Portuguese ancestry in Brazil is that overwhelming. After all, what about all the Spanish, Italian, German, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Turkish, Lebanese and Syrian descendants there?

The majority of them has intermarried someone who carries Portuguese ancestry as well.

[Rouxinol]

France is only 50% ''ethnic French'' if by French you mean the populations descending from ethnicities originary from modern borders of ''France''. Now it has around 20% non-European population as well.

The place is basically multicultural, there's no way to turn France ''French'' again.

It's never been entirely "French" anyway, it's just that the French culture was imposed - rather successfully - over other ethnocultural groups, such as the Bretons, Basques, Niçois, Alsatians...

[Tooting Carmen]

The majority of them has intermarried someone who carries Portuguese ancestry as well.

Even the East Asians and Middle Easterners? (To say nothing of the Blacks).

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, returning to topic, it is indeed interesting how France over the decades has become by some distance the most multiethnic nation in Europe, both in terms of the numbers of non-whites and the diversity of the White population. Not even the UK comes close, although London is probably even more multiethnic than Paris.

[Comocudostrouxas]

Even the East Asians and Middle Easterners? (To say nothing of the Blacks).

Of course. Most ''Middle Easterners'' here are people who are half-MENA and half White or off-White Brazilian. There are even people with Portuguese, MENA and Japanese ancestry at the same time, like Sabrina Sato:



50% Japanese, 1/4 Lebanese and 1/4 Portuguese (colonial Portuguese actually, could carry some SSA or Amerindian).

[Comocudostrouxas]

It's never been entirely "French" anyway, it's just that the French culture was imposed - rather successfully - over other ethnocultural groups, such as the Bretons, Basques, Niçois, Alsatians...

Well, by ''French'' I'm including the other ethnicities which are originary from modern borders of ''France''. Ethnic groups of France are not more than 50% nowadays.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well, by ''French'' I'm including the other ethnicities which are originary from modern borders of ''France''. Ethnic groups of France are not more than 50% nowadays.

More like 60-65% are ethnic French, but I get your point.

[Tooting Carmen]

Of course. Most ''Middle Easterners'' here are people who are half-MENA and half White or off-White Brazilian. There are even people with Portuguese, MENA and Japanese ancestry at the same time, like Sabrina Sato:



50% Japanese, 1/4 Lebanese and 1/4 Portuguese (colonial Portuguese actually, could carry some SSA or Amerindian).

It is a shame how Brazil hasn't been able to integrate its Blacks like it has its East Asians and Middle Easterners, not to mention the countless European immigrant groups.

[Comocudostrouxas]

It is a shame how Brazil hasn't been able to integrate its Blacks like it has its East Asians and Middle Easterners, not to mention the countless European immigrant groups.

Depends on what you consider ''Black''. Pure Blacks are not common and the mulattoes who self-declare as Black are integrated, I don't know what you're talking about. They are certainly poorer than the average for other groups but are seen as Brazilians like anyone else.