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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    5. Judaism and Islam both concentrate more on the earthly existence, whereas Christianity's focus and hopes lie in the hereafter, eternal life in heaven.
    In this point, Islam is similar to Christianity.

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    Christianity and Islam are barely comparable to modern Talmudic Judaism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenix View Post
    Most of the beliefs, rituals, and celebrations in Christianity are of pagan European essence;
    Nonsense. Don't be ridiculous. Your knowledge about Christianity is very lacking.

    trinity adoration streams from an Proto-Indo-European cult of the sun;
    No it doesn't.

    and all the five major episcopal sees were all European lands at that time;
    So?

    most church fathers were Europeans,
    Irrelevant

    and new testament was written in Koine Greek;
    So what?

    besides that most of the Christendom was concentrated in Europe until very lately following colonization of Africa and Americas.
    And? None of these points you mention have anything to do with "pagan European". European, perhaps. But only in a certain sense. Christianity's beliefs are universal, but it had its origin in the ancient religion of Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuk View Post
    I do not agree,Christianity is heavily influenced by European pagan beliefs.

    Islam is more closer than its Semitic roots,so it is closer to Judaism.
    Indeed. Catholics, Orthodox and also the Protestants. Worship on Sunday? Celebrate Christmas on 25?, much symbolism.

    The Christian Protestant groups which tried to remove many of those became more Judaism like. And thats where Christianity in Early America (Pilgrims) led to.

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    Pisslam is closer to Judaism from an atheistic point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    Indeed. Catholics, Orthodox and also the Protestants. Worship on Sunday? Celebrate Christmas on 25?, much symbolism.

    The Christian Protestant groups which tried to remove many of those became more Judaism like. And thats where Christianity in Early America (Pilgrims) led to.
    Whoah... hang on here, we are only talking about a few irrelevant things like Christmas. But Christmas is not part of the Christian faith, it's just a cultural celebration based on a Christian theme. It has no influence on Christian dogma or beliefs.
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    Islam is closer to Judaism. Protestant Christianity tried to be more Judaic in the past, especially the Puritan movement
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Islam is closer to Judaism
    If by that you imply (as I think you are..) that Islam is somehow closer to the "original" faith and religion of the Israelites, then you are sadly mistaken. Judaism and Christianity share ancient scriptures in the Tanakh, the first five books of the Bible... whereas Islam does not agree with that, and their stories about the patriarchs vary from the Jewish and Christian traditions.

    Protestant Christianity tried to be more Judaic in the past, especially the Puritan movement
    No, they didn't.
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    Islam is nothing more than a mere garbled copy\paste of Judaism and Christianity gone wrong and with an added twist of pure evil.

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    All Abrahamic religions have similarities but i think that Islam is a bit closer to Judaism because it feels more old school. Many Jews and Muslims are Middle Eastern and they have more of that feeling in the game. Christians and Jews however tend to stick together in a modern world and they share exact same stories of the Old Testament if we leave Messianic prophecies aside. And that holy trinity thing which is usually misunderstood. Mohammed was quite clever to declare himself as a "bigger than Abraham" messiah since some people were still waiting for it to happen. But Jews didn't buy it. Not like Islam didn't spread. It did and it seems that many Muslims believe that they are chosen ones (through Ishmael) and should have Jerusalem and all the blessings. This is not very Biblical take but is nevertheless depicted in the Bible as a beef between Isaac and Ishmael/ Esau and Jacob.

    By the way, i wonder if the Palestinian Arab identity will change one day after some DNA testing... I heard they are related to ancient Israeli tribes as well and not only Arabs.

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