Independent Kurdistan: would you support it?

[Hajimurad]

Hypocrite Nationalists who want break up neighbor country but scare disintegration of their own. Governments of Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq in XX century. cooperated against Kurdish movement. This is a reason why Kurds lose.
If Iran will be break up Turkish Kurdistan would turn into Afghanistan and Turkey would forever lost it. Reverse is also right. Syria lost control over Kurdish territories and this is a threat against Turkey, because Syrian Kurds descended from those, expelled by Kemalists. Iraqi Kurdistan is an American protectorate (local Nationalists dislike Communists from Turkey) and therefore not a danger for Turkey.

[Negah]

Iranian army is not persecuting Kurds for being born as Kurds. Can you guess who does ?

Iranian problem is with foreign funded elements like KDPI, PJAK not with Kurdish population. They are very well integrated in their own motherland.

Kurds in Iran identify as Iranian, especially Kermanshahi Kurds. I lived in Sanandaj in Kurdistan for six months, and I definitely don't consider myself an expert on the Kurds in Iran or Turkey. But from what I saw people there are poorer than much of Iran and Sunni ( Iran's current regime being a Shia is not appealing to them. ) Also, they want Kurdish to be used alongside Persian in their regions. But the latter is pretty much the sentiment of non-Persian regions in Iran.

[Kyp]

please explain to me how come 49 % non ethnic Persian Iranian state can be termed as Persians?

Because despite being a multiethnic or multilingual state it's runned by Persian Chauvinism since the Pahlavis.
Same goes for Turkey not taking sides here.
I can talk about some stories of my own family if you want.. but not on this thread.

[Oghuz]

You dont even know if the kurds get independent, they will get that iran part for sure. But keep talking your worthless words. Kurds wont get any part of Turkey

Kurds do not need to get any part of Turkey, triggered Sock. Kurds will become majority in your country without causing any war or anything and they will still be Turkish nationals. It is a fact, one that no one can deny or change. Turkish are being out bred simply. Iran is not causing that so stop blaming us.

Inside Turkey they are a culturally different entity. Inside Shiite Iran, they are just another Iranic ethnicity like Lurs, Persians, Mazandaranis etc. Do not try to equate Kurdish situation in Turkey with Kurds in Iran.

[Oghuz]

Because despite being a multiethnic or multilingual state it's runned by Persian Chauvinism since the Pahlavis.
Same goes for Turkey not taking sides here.

What are you talking about ? There is no Persian nationalistic entity inside Iran. Pahlavis were themselves Mazandaranis with Azeri, Gorji mixing. Khamenei is Azeri and so were Qajars before Pahlavis. Iran is a religious theocracy at best, far from being an ethno state.

[Hajimurad]

isn't the Zagros mountain range in the western parts of Iran their original homeland where they came from before arriving and inhabiting empty places currently called Kurdistan, no?

Yes and specifically Kermanshah area, whe were historical Kurdish cities (Hulwan, Nehavend, Shahrazur, Kangavar). They spread to Taurus mountains (Bohtan and Hakkari), western Azerbaijan and plains of Mosul during IX-Xth centuries when were formed first Kurdish emirates (Shaddadid, Marwanid, Hasanwayhid, Hadhabani). After battle of Chaldiran (ethnic cleansing of Shia Turkmens by Salim Yavuz) and ethnic cleansing of Armenians in 1915 Kurds became a majority in Eastern Turkey.

[sailorsally77]

Kurds do not need to get any part of Turkey, triggered Sock. Kurds will become majority in your country without causing any war or anything and they will still be Turkish nationals. It is a fact, one that no one can deny or change. Turkish are being out bred simply. Iran is not causing that so stop blaming us.

Inside Turkey they are a culturally different entity. Inside Shiite Iran, they are just another Iranic ethnicity like Lurs, Persians, Mazandaranis etc. Do not try to equate Kurdish situation in Turkey with Kurds in Iran.

65 million turks and 15 milion kurds. Your theory is impossible.

[sailorsally77]

Kurds do not need to get any part of Turkey, triggered Sock. Kurds will become majority in your country without causing any war or anything and they will still be Turkish nationals. It is a fact, one that no one can deny or change. Turkish are being out bred simply. Iran is not causing that so stop blaming us.

Inside Turkey they are a culturally different entity. Inside Shiite Iran, they are just another Iranic ethnicity like Lurs, Persians, Mazandaranis etc. Do not try to equate Kurdish situation in Turkey with Kurds in Iran.

65 million turks and 15 milion kurds. Your theory is impossible.

[Oghuz]

Kurds in Iran identify as Iranian, especially Kermanshahi Kurds. I lived in Sanandaj in Kurdistan for six months, and I definitely don't consider myself an expert on Kurds in Iran or Turkey. But from what I saw people there are poorer than much of Iran and Sunni ( Iran's current regime being a Shia is not appealing to them. ) Also, they want Kurdish to be used alongside Persian in their regions. But the latter is pretty much the sentiment of non-Persian regions in Iran.

My maternal grandfather was from a village near Sanandaj but grew up in the city. Most Kurds are tribal minded. Use of Kurdish language for education purpose is a need (for sole purpose of education) not some political demand. Shiite Kurds are in high numbers thats why Kurdish nationalist organizations fail to appeal to Rojhilat kurds.

[Kivan]

Kurds in Turkey are not migrated from anywhere. They are as much in their own land as any Turkish or Farsi person is in his/her land

The majority of the provinces in Turkey where Kurds are majority today, used to be inhabited by Armenians and others. It's well known that most people in many regions of Eastern Turkey are just assimilated. We don't know how many people there were assimilated/Kurdified in Turkey and other countries.

Ethnic Kurds (i mean, not assimilated/mixed) get Iranian in the first place in the gedmatch oracles. You like it or not.

No one will break up. Turkey will become Kurdish majority in next 20-30 years as Erdoo accepted himself. I see no border change otherwise.

It's just your wishfull thinking. They always had bigger birth rates for several decades and still are minority in the country. More easy we re-populate Southeastern Turkey with other Turks/Turkics (yes, you know what's our methods) than Kurds become majority in our own lands.