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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Why is it Slavic when it actually starts with non-Slavs?
    Because it likely evolved within the Slavic ethnogenesis, as well as all of it's downstreams being Slavic specific groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Since I'm not getting any replies I can only assume this as acknowledgement that I2a-Dinaric is Balkan, and spread to Slavic populations from Northern Romania/Western Ukraine region (inhabited by Dacians at that time) to North, East And South. I2a-Dinaric expanded its area for a millennium before it made contact with Slavic people.
    No, just haven't been as active. I2a-Din is clearly not Balkanic in origin, the haplogroup has no high diversity there as well as all the subclades having a TMRCA linked to Medieval expansion. It reaches highest diversity in the area around Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. Though likely that originally it migrated to east Europe from northwestern Europe as the oldest clades are found in that area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nato View Post
    It's a minority man. Not much Catholic about Albanian cultural heritage
    In northwestern Albania, Catholicism isn't the minority, it's the majority. Still though, religion didn't have much influence on the Albanian culture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Because it likely evolved within the Slavic ethnogenesis, as well as all of it's downstreams being Slavic specific groups.
    It certainly did evolve with the Slavic ethnogenesis. But when it arrived with the Slavs in the Balkans, I2a-Din was already there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    No, just haven't been as active. I2a-Din is clearly not Balkanic in origin, the haplogroup has no high diversity there as well as all the subclades having a TMRCA linked to Medieval expansion. It reaches highest diversity in the area around Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. Though likely that originally it migrated to east Europe from northwestern Europe as the oldest clades are found in that area.

    It is expected that the first old I2a-Din discovered to be Medieval one from Poland and Northwestern Russia. That area was several times more populated than the Balkans in Medieval times. Of course, in absolute numbers, many more people were I2a-Din in Russia and Poland. Diversity also comes from that. The Balkans experienced a demographic explosion only after 1700.

    None of this proves that I2a-Din is Slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    In northwestern Albania, Catholicism isn't the minority, it's the majority. Still though, religion didn't have much influence on the Albanian culture
    I appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    In northwestern Albania, Catholicism isn't the minority, it's the majority. Still though, religion didn't have much influence on the Albanian culture
    Is it true that Albanian Catholics are somewhat disciminated from other Albanians? But it is like hidden thing. I just heard that long time ago, honestly, I dont know is it really true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    Is it true that Albanian Catholics are somewhat disciminated from other Albanians? But it is like hidden thing. I just heard that long time ago, honestly, I dont know is it really true.
    For sure.
    There is video where Albanian Muslim children in Kosovo attack Albanian Catholic boy, they hit him and shout on him "katoljik", "katoljik"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    No, just haven't been as active. I2a-Din is clearly not Balkanic in origin, the haplogroup has no high diversity there as well as all the subclades having a TMRCA linked to Medieval expansion. It reaches highest diversity in the area around Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. Though likely that originally it migrated to east Europe from northwestern Europe as the oldest clades are found in that area.
    Not true friend. Highest percentage of I2a1b is in area of South Croatia, Montenegro and Herzegovina. Up to 60%.

    And how do you explain that North Croats have R1A as dominant and South Croats have I2a1b as dominant?

    I2a1b in origin cannot be called slavic only cause it was and it is carried by many other non-slavic ethnics in europe.

    Its a scientific fact that Dacians (just an example) carried I2a1b. Were Dacians slavs lol? Nope

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