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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Bring up her lineage or she's not a Tatar
    Yes she is Tatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meiliren View Post
    Source?

    When the Russians in 1552 conquered the Khanate of Kazan they found Chuvash, Mari, Udmurts and Muslim population which was the ruling class in Khanate of Kazan.

    Chuvash, Mari and Udmurts were the main population of the the Khanate of Kazan.

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    Писцовая книга Казанского уезда 1602—1603 годов

    Where did the "Bulgars" go?
    Just how dumb you must be to ask this after quote I posted on page 1?
    Anyway, Ahmad ibn Fadlan:
    "One noteworthy aspect of the Volga Bulgars that Ibn Fadlan focused on was their religion and the institution of Islam in these territories. The Bulgar king had invited religious instruction as a gesture of homage to the Abbasids in exchange for financial and military support, and Ibn Fadlan's mission as a faqih was one of proselytization as well as diplomacy.

    For example, Ibn Fadlan details in his encounter that the Volga Bulgar Khan commits an error in his prayer exhortations by repeating the prayer twice. One scholar calls it an “illuminating episode” in the text where Ibn Fadlan expresses his great anger and disgust over the fact that the Khan and the Volga Bulgars in general are practicing some form of imperfect and doctrinally unsound Islam. In general, Ibn Fadlan recognized and judged the peoples of central Eurasia he encountered by the possession and practice of Islam, along with their efforts put forth to utilize, implement, and foster Islamic faith and social practice in their respective society. Consequently, many of the peoples and societies to Ibn Fadlan were "like asses gone astray. They have no religious bonds with God, nor do they have recourse to reason.""
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Fadlan
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    Quote Originally Posted by meiliren View Post
    Source?

    When the Russians in 1552 conquered the Khanate of Kazan they found Chuvash, Mari, Udmurts and Muslim population which was the ruling class in Khanate of Kazan.

    Chuvash, Mari and Udmurts were the main population of the the Khanate of Kazan.

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    Писцовая книга Казанского уезда 1602—1603 годов

    Where did the "Bulgars" go?
    chuvash are volga bugars

    One is that they originated from a mixing between the Turkic Sabir tribes of Volga Bulgaria and also according to some researches with local Finno-Ugric populations.[15]
    According to another theory, the Chuvash may be descended from the Volga Bulgars.[16]

    Chuvash is classified, alongside the extinct Bulgar language, as the only remaining member of the Oghuric branch of the Turkic language family.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people
    man, you can find anything on wikipedia in less than 5 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nato View Post
    And so?

    They were called Bulgars by other nations.

    We don't know what they called themselves.

    But we know one thing.

    When the Russians conquered the Khanate of Kazan they found no "Bulgars" there.

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    You mean it was exoethnomym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meiliren View Post
    Yes she is Tatar.
    If you wish to think so... but there's no evidence so far
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nato View Post
    chuvash are volga bugars

    One is that they originated from a mixing between the Turkic Sabir tribes of Volga Bulgaria and also according to some researches with local Finno-Ugric populations.[15]
    According to another theory, the Chuvash may be descended from the Volga Bulgars.[16]

    Chuvash is classified, alongside the extinct Bulgar language, as the only remaining member of the Oghuric branch of the Turkic language family.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people
    man, you can find anything on wikipedia in less than 5 minutes
    Chuvash lived in Volga Bulgaria it is a fact.

    Called themselves Chuvash ever Bulgars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meiliren View Post
    Chuvash lived in Volga Bulgaria it is a fact.

    Called themselves Chuvash ever Bulgars?
    lol like i know
    article mention chuvash might descend from volga bulgars and similarity of languages, nothing more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    You mean it was exoethnomym.
    "Bulgar" like "Russian".

    Foreigners call the entire population of Russia "Russian" but in fact in Russia there are many different peoples.

    In Volga Bulgaria lived Chuvash, Mari, Udmurts and Muslim population (the ancestors of modern ) Tatars.

    But we have no facts to say that there was people who called themselves Bulgars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Just how dumb you must be to ask this after quote I posted on page 1?
    Anyway, Ahmad ibn Fadlan:
    "One noteworthy aspect of the Volga Bulgars that Ibn Fadlan focused on was their religion and the institution of Islam in these territories. The Bulgar king had invited religious instruction as a gesture of homage to the Abbasids in exchange for financial and military support, and Ibn Fadlan's mission as a faqih was one of proselytization as well as diplomacy.

    For example, Ibn Fadlan details in his encounter that the Volga Bulgar Khan commits an error in his prayer exhortations by repeating the prayer twice. One scholar calls it an “illuminating episode” in the text where Ibn Fadlan expresses his great anger and disgust over the fact that the Khan and the Volga Bulgars in general are practicing some form of imperfect and doctrinally unsound Islam. In general, Ibn Fadlan recognized and judged the peoples of central Eurasia he encountered by the possession and practice of Islam, along with their efforts put forth to utilize, implement, and foster Islamic faith and social practice in their respective society. Consequently, many of the peoples and societies to Ibn Fadlan were "like asses gone astray. They have no religious bonds with God, nor do they have recourse to reason.""
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Fadlan
    We have

    "Писцовая книга Казанского уезда 1602—1603 годов"

    "Писцовая книга" is like census.

    We have

    "Перепись 1897 года и татары Казанской губернии"

    "The census 1897 y in Kazan Governorate".

    Just show me "Bulgars" in these books and I will say you're right.

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