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    The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople on Sunday presented a decree of independence to the head of the nascent Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

    In Istanbul, Patriarch Bartholomew I presented the Tomos, a scroll containing the decree, in a symbolic ceremony sanctifying the Ukrainian church's independence from the Russian Orthodox Church. He signed the decree a day earlier.

    Until the decree, the Orthodox church in Ukraine that was a branch of the Russian church was considered legitimate, or “canonical,” and two others were regarded as schismatic. The new church unites the two formerly schismatic bodies.

    Many Ukrainians resented the status of the Moscow-affiliated church and the push for a full-fledged Ukrainian church was bolstered by fighting in eastern Ukraine between government forces and Russia-backed rebels.

    “The Tomos is one more act declaring the independence of Ukraine,” Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Sunday. Poroshenko, who had pushed for the new church, attended the presentation ceremony.

    Bartholomew I, considered first among equals in Orthodox patriarchy, announced the Orthodox Church of Ukraine has become the 15th independent Orthodox church. He argued Ukrainians “desired ecclesiastical independence” for centuries and never accepted that they were part of the Russian church.

    The patriarch also entreated that the new church “strive for unity and peace” with clergy who remain under Moscow’s orbit and help reconciliation to “help them understand that Ukraine deserves a united church body.”

    Following Bartholomew I’s October decision for independence, the Russian church severed ties with Istanbul, the center of the Orthodox world.

    “Instead of healing the schism, instead of uniting Orthodoxy, we got an even greater schism that exists solely for political reasons," Archbishop Kliment, a spokesman for the Russia-affiliated church in Ukraine, said Sunday.

    Metropolitan Epiphanius I, who was elected last month by Ukrainian Orthodox leaders to head the new church, will take the decree to Kiev, where it is to be displayed Monday at the Sophia cathedral complex in downtown Kiev.

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    good for Ukraine. Russian church and Russian state is basically the same thing. One can't be part of the same church which is an extension of the Russian state, a state which grabs some of your territory and leads a proxy war in other parts.

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    Good for Ukrainians.

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    Having an autocephalous church in the Orthodox world is a measure of independence.
    It's one more necessary step for Ukraine to outgrow Russia's influence.

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    Who is interested in these issues? If less than 10% in Ukraine is a real christians who live according to biblical laws.

    righteous christians, they live outside the state system.

    Being a Christian in a secular state is impossible.

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