Why are North Italians lighter than Iberians?

[Universe]

The north of Italy has border with Switzerland and Austria (Germanic countries), so it is logical that there are more phenotypes of Germanic influence and light in the northern Italians than in the Iberians, if Iberia had a border with Germany or some other Germanic country , the Iberians would also have influence on the phenotypes with the Germanics because of the proximity.

Because northern Italy borders Germanic and Slavic countries. It's logical to have lighter features. Spain borders Portugal and Southern France.

I'm no expert, though. Here in Argentina (and in my family) "Gallegos" (Spaniards) are generally darker than "Gringos" (Northern Italians), who were generally tall, blond/red/brown haired and light-eyed.

Autosomal DNA doesn't reflect this Northern shift though.
Iberians and North Italians have similar ratio of Northern/Southern genetics.

[Marco94]

Autosomal DNA doesn't reflect this Northern shift though.

DNA and phenotype don't perfectly correlate.

The native ancient populations of Northern Italy, Switzerland and Austria were very close (Celtics). Until the Swiss-Germans were Germanized, the Northern Italians latinized, etc.

I can trace my Swiss-German family as far back as 1200, and there are registries that show how their surnames became Germanized when the Burgundians came ("In Campo" became "Imfeld", etc.).

[Phenix]

Because this.

DNA and phenotype don't perfectly correlate.

[Chaos One]

DNA and phenotype don't perfectly correlate.

And somehow this is the biggest problem here on TA when doing Genetics x Phenotype. Seems there're more things to explore on this than taking simple conclusions now about this issue because we advanced something at genetics. IMO it's impossible to correlate genetic racial heritage to phenotype right now, maybe in some years.

[Cristiano viejo]

No, they are not.

[Cristiano viejo]

Northern Italians have also a lot of subnordids ans norics,

Because MENA admix is too strong in Iberians, i guess.

I dont know which of these two statements is more hilarious. Well, I think the second, taking account that North Italy is full of South Italians, who are phenotypically and genotypically very MENA

[Joso]

DNA and phenotype don't perfectly correlate.

The native ancient populations of Northern Italy, Switzerland and Austria were very close (Celtics). Until the Swiss-Germans were Germanized, the Northern Italians latinized, etc.

I can trace my Swiss-German family as far back as 1200, and there are registries that show how their surnames became Germanized when the Burgundians came ("In Campo" became "Imfeld", etc.).

Because this.

And somehow this is the biggest problem here on TA when doing Genetics x Phenotype. Seems there're more things to explore on this than taking simple conclusions now about this issue because we advanced something at genetics. IMO it's impossible to correlate genetic racial heritage to phenotype right now, maybe in some years.

Wrong. DNA and phenotypes are very related. It have nothing to do with that.
The real answer is that Iberians are somewhat closer only to some Northern Europeans(Brits, French, etc...) due to relatively higher WHG admixture.
This why some Nortwestern Europeans can be very similar to Iberians in phenotype but in other parts of Northern Europe it don't happens.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

north italy has colder climate than iberia, with little sun

[Cristiano viejo]

north italy has lot colder climate than iberia, with little sun

Mongolia too, and they are darker. The reality is that North Italians are not lighter than Spaniards, although people saying North Italy is full of Nordics and Germanic people is laughable at least.

[Phenix]

Wrong. DNA and phenotypes are very related. It have nothing to do with that.
The real answer is that Iberians are somewhat closer only to some Northern Europeans(Brits, French, etc...) due to relatively higher WHG admixture.
This why some Nortwestern Europeans can be very similar to Iberians in phenotype but in other parts of Northern Europe it don't happens.

True, but it doesn't demonstrate why Iberians have darker features?