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    Default Possible source of my E haplogroup ?

    I have just done Lukasz's chromosome analysis and someone has suggested this could be the source of my E haplogroup.


    ch1 It Bolzano 12.4 31.6
    ch13 It Bolzano 7.6 8.6
    ch18 It Bolzano 57.4 50.6
    chr 22 It Bolzano 6.4


    Those are South Tyrol in Northern Italy.

    Are these near? My geography isn't the best.

    ch 1 Tirol 3
    ch 9 Tirol 4.2 10.8
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    This gets interesting. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Henry_Gatty Gattys were originally Gatti from Insubria (Lombardy). Both Lombardy and South Tyrol are in Northern Italy.
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    MDLP K23B: Dutch + German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.880189
    Eurogenes K13:Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
    Dodecad v3:CEU + CEU + German + Orkney @ 1.508807
    Harappaworld:n-european + n-european + orcadian + utahn-white @ 1.186455
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    This gets interesting. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Henry_Gatty Gattys were originally Gatti from Insubria (Lombardy). Both Lombardy and South Tyrol are in Northern Italy.
    Are you certain that you match this particular Gatty line through Big Y? Are any other Gatty lines found (of other haplogroups or branches) in the region of Cornwall? What's your TMRCA with Gatty?
    R1a-Z282>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>YP5224>BY27800
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    Are you certain that you match this particular Gatty line through Big Y? Are any other Gatty lines found (of other haplogroups or branches) in the region of Cornwall? What's your TMRCA with Gatty?


    There seems to be only one other Gatty who has tested their Ydna. He has not done Big Y. He has only done up to 37 markers . We are a GD of 2.


    Generations Percentage
    5 25.89%
    6 45.98%
    7 61.12%
    8 72.3%
    9 80.44%
    10 86.28%
    11 90.44%
    12 93.37%
    13 95.42%
    14 96.85%
    15 97.84%
    16 98.53%
    17 99%
    18 99.32%
    19 99.54%
    20 99.69%
    21 99.79%
    22 99.86%
    23 99.9%
    24 99.94%
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    MDLP K23B: Dutch + German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.880189
    Eurogenes K13:Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
    Dodecad v3:CEU + CEU + German + Orkney @ 1.508807
    Harappaworld:n-european + n-european + orcadian + utahn-white @ 1.186455
    puntDNAL K12 modern:Czech + Dutch_South + English_South + English_South @ 1.900828

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    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...osome-analysis

    Further evidence pointing to this?
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    MDLP K23B: Dutch + German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.880189
    Eurogenes K13:Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
    Dodecad v3:CEU + CEU + German + Orkney @ 1.508807
    Harappaworld:n-european + n-european + orcadian + utahn-white @ 1.186455
    puntDNAL K12 modern:Czech + Dutch_South + English_South + English_South @ 1.900828

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    I think I mentioned this on Anthrogenica but I do believe thats where your E line comes from

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    I think I mentioned this on Anthrogenica but I do believe thats where your E line comes from


    Yes,you did. I have no reason to doubt you. The interesting question is how my Gattys ended up in Cornwall. I can't link my branch to there as I only trace back to a 4gt married at Liverpool in 1810. However (a) This is where the Gattys were first seen in England circa late 15th c (b) My father has an autosomal match to someone with a female Gatty relative from Cornwall born 1703/4.
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    MDLP K23B: Dutch + German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.880189
    Eurogenes K13:Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
    Dodecad v3:CEU + CEU + German + Orkney @ 1.508807
    Harappaworld:n-european + n-european + orcadian + utahn-white @ 1.186455
    puntDNAL K12 modern:Czech + Dutch_South + English_South + English_South @ 1.900828

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