Phenotypes of the Sorbs

[Borna]

As far as I know, the Serbs came South via the current location of the Sorbs. That they might have been a single group at some point is always possible.

Basically that -

[caviezel]

they look identical to germans which is not surprising considering that germans are largely germanicized slavs.

[Borna]

they look identical to germans which is not surprising considering that germans are largely germanicized slavs.

Even Bismarck had Sorbian ancestry.

[Leto]

germans are largely germanicized slavs.

Incorrect. Only some groups of them are.

[caviezel]

Incorrect. Only some groups of them are.

germans eastward of the Elb river are.

[Borna]

From my perspective, most Slavicized Germans are Austrians.
Wast majority of Southern Austrians have Slovene/Caranthanian origin. 20% of R1a speak in that favor.

[caviezel]

eastern bavarians and germans from sudetens are also former slavs.

[Rugevit]

Probably Sorbs are those Serbs who remained in their ancient homeland (I believe white Serbia or Bojka was located in North Eastern Germany, west of White Croatia), while other branch went to Balkans and assimilated everything and everyone.

North-eastern Germany was settled by Lechitic Slavs such аs Obotrites, who spoke a language similar to Kashubian and Polish. Modern Sorbian language does not belong to Lechitic group being marginally more similar to Czech than to Polish. Especially upper Lusatian. Ancient homeland of Slavs was not in eastern Germany. More likely, a group of ancient Serbs expanded into the Balkans, while another group moved westward with the expansion of the Prague-Korchak cultural horizon from north-western-Ukraine/south-eastern Poland.

[Borna]

North-eastern Germany was settled by Lechitic Slavs such аs Obotrites, who spoke a language similar to Kashubian and Polish. Modern Sorbian language does not belong to Lechitic group being marginally more similar to Czech than to Polish. Especially upper Lusatian. Ancient homeland of Slavs was not in eastern Germany. More likely, a group of ancient Serbs expanded into the Balkans, while another group moved westward with the expansion of the Prague-Korchak cultural horizon from north-western-Ukraine/south-eastern Poland.

Could be, existance of White Serbia was never confirmed.

[Rugevit]

Could be, existance of White Serbia was never confirmed.

MDLP 22 included a Sorbian sample. On autosomal DNA Sorbs are similar to Ukrainians and Russian Cossacks many of whom are Ukrainians originally.


[1,] "Sorb" "0"
[2,] "Russian_cossack" "4.3058"
[3,] "Ukrainian" "4.8187"
[4,] "Ukrainian-Center" "5.006"
[5,] "Ukrainian-East" "5.0379"
[6,] "Ukrainian-West" "5.4836"
7,] "Polish" "5.5489"
[8,] "Russian_South" "5.7454"
[13,] "Russian_Center" "7.3668"
[9,] "Slovakian" "8.8193"
[10,] "Russian" "10.6184"
[11,] "Czech" "10.8176"
[12,] "Moldavian" "11.2876"
[13,] "Belarusian" "13.688"
[14,] "Russian_North" "14.3395"
[15,] "Estonian" "14.7136"
[16,] "Slovenian" "15.0063"
[17,] "German-North" "15.1139"
[18,] "German" "15.247"

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Sorbs also have R1a1 above 60%. Their origins in eastern Europe.