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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos One View Post
    It's complicated. The power vacuum after URSS fell made pure chaos there. Most countried have some kind of dictator, mainly Turkmenistan and Tajikistan.

    Turkmenistan is almost North Korea 2.0 except they don't flag a communist slogan, therefore they gather less attention. Tajikistan at least has a dictator who tries to hold Islamic fundamentalism, but have other problems about unrests between Pamiris and the central government. Tajikistan also faces a big problem in terms of investments and China is using this as a method to invest as they are doing in Africa, except we're talking about a neighbour country, which is worse.

    Uzbekistan is a bit better than both and at least try to make things by itself.

    Also, all those countries have huge corruption levels. Even more than some South/Central American countries.
    i would say Kyrgyzstan is moreover ok..they don't have a dictatorship. i'd say that Kyrgyzstan has even more deocracy then Kazakhstan but with all that is still poor. they have no natural resources and no sea exit. Uzbekistan is in a very bad shape from all points of view

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    i would say Kyrgyzstan is moreover ok..they don't have a dictatorship. i'd say that Kyrgyzstan has even more deocracy then Kazakhstan but with all that is still poor. they have no natural resources and no sea exit. Uzbekistan is in a very bad shape from all points of view
    Kyrgystan has less ethnical problems than Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, that helps a lot. Uzbekistan...well, I think it is the only country in the region who tries to get away from Russian/Chinese sphere of influency at some point and that has a cost. I think all those countries at some degree could face huge problems if they change their government from nothing. I can't imagine how they would deal with Karakalpak situation in Uzbekistan and Pamiri in Tajikistan (and China has somekind of own perspective about it since Xinjiang is a pool of problems and Pamiris in Kashgar would love to make problems if something happen in Tajikistan about this issue, for example). At least Uzbekistan and Tajikistan stopped to mess around between them after the Tajik Civil War and border definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos One View Post
    Kyrgystan has less ethnical problems than Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, that helps a lot. Uzbekistan...well, I think it is the only country in the region who tries to get away from Russian/Chinese sphere of influency at some point and that has a cost. I think all those countries at some degree could face huge problems if they change their government from nothing. I can't imagine how they would deal with Karakalpak situation in Uzbekistan and Pamiri in Tajikistan (and China has somekind of own perspective about it since Xinjiang is a pool of problems and Pamiris in Kashgar would love to make problems if something happen in Tajikistan about this issue, for example). At least Uzbekistan and Tajikistan stopped to mess around between them after the Tajik Civil War and border definitions.
    Kyrgystan has a lot of ethnic problems in the south with the ukbek minority. they had multiple conflicts ended in deaths and displaced people. numerous times uzbek ethnics have been acused of trying to destabilize the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    Kyrgystan has a lot of ethnic problems in the south with the ukbek minority. they had multiple conflicts ended in deaths and displaced people. numerous times uzbek ethnics have been acused of trying to destabilize the country.
    Yeah, but did not created a proper and long Civil War - at least made things change pro Kyrgyz people in 2010. The fact is, ethnical groups of those countries do not like each other (except Afghans and Tajiks for example or Uzbeks and Uyghurs), even inside the country. The old beef between Uzbeks and Kazakhs is well known as well, beyond the Tajik-Uzbek and Kyrgyz-Uzbek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    It was very nice. I loved it. I consider Kazakhstan my second home. There are only a few big cities and the rest is empty land. The country is huge but the population no more then 18-19 mil
    I remember you mentioning this before. Curious to know what made you move/live there though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Kazakhstan is not really a Central Asian country if we compare to Uz ekistan or Turmenistan socio-economically they are like Eatern Europe with CA influences nowdays, plus quater of population is of EE descent and they mostly speak Russian
    In 50 years nobody will speak Russian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos View Post
    If Kazakhstan is not central asian i don't know what is central asia...
    It's just a post-colonial Soviet disorder. They still can't get over the fact they lost against the Turkic soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos One View Post
    Yeah, but did not created a proper and long Civil War - at least made things change pro Kyrgyz people in 2010. The fact is, ethnical groups of those countries do not like each other (except Afghans and Tajiks for example or Uzbeks and Uyghurs), even inside the country. The old beef between Uzbeks and Kazakhs is well known as well, beyond the Tajik-Uzbek and Kyrgyz-Uzbek.
    Which old beef? Uzbeks and Kazakhs came out of the same state - Golden Horde. The original Uzbek horde was in fact closer to Kazakhs in terms of language, culture and traditions. Uzbeks are close to Tajiks in terms of traditional culture, customs, folk music, etc which is not surprising many Tajiks became Uzbeks. and Uyghurs were cooking up in a different pot, in a different state - Moghulistan.

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