R1b poll. Vote

**PT Tagus** · 01-11-2019, 09:41 AM

Probably DF27

**~~dosas~~** · 01-11-2019, 09:47 AM

R1b Z2103 is connected to the 'Descent of the Dorians' in Greece/Balkans, according to eupedia.

So, my r1b ancestors were the original Macedonians/Spartans/etc.

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 01-11-2019, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by dosas

Z2103

isn't that L23 yamnanya branch

**~~dosas~~** · 01-11-2019, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Nato

isn't that L23 yamnanya branch

Yes, afaik.

**Artek** · 01-11-2019, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

The oldest L21 appears to be British Bell Beakers I don't think it has even been found yet in Central European Bell Beakers. Never heard of L21 been found in the Balkan mesolithic. That would be news to me if you have info on it. From what I've read L21 is most likely to have originated somewhere in Central Europe around the Rhine and Danube Rivers. I know that U106 split off first. P312 and U106 are sort of brother clades. Under P312 there is Z290 then L21. DF27 and U152 are the most closely related as they are both under ZZ11. (See tree I posted). I'm also not aware of DF27 and U152 being around in the Balkan mesolithic.

L21, DF27, U152 and U106 weren't around in the Neolithic let alone the Mesolithic so I'm a bit baffled.

I've clearly said it about V88. Other clades under L51 are not near enough age to be from Mesolithic Balkans.

**Annie999** · 01-11-2019, 11:13 AM

I voted for my paternal linage though obviously I didn’t inherit the Y gen.

My children will be R1-L21 though (because that’s the Y-DNA of my husband).

**Grace O'Malley** · 01-11-2019, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Artek

I've clearly said it about V88. Other clades under L51 are not near enough age to be from Mesolithic Balkans.

Originally Posted by Artek

To complicate things by a bit - V88 was also found in the Balkan mesolithic and some clades of L21, DF27, U152, Z2103 etc. never heard of any Celts or Gallo-Iberians but were just Bell Beaker and their story was sometimes completely different over time.

It did sound like you meant those later clades from your post but thanks for clarifying.

**Imperator Biff** · 01-11-2019, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

The oldest L21 appears to be British Bell Beakers I don't think it has even been found yet in Central European Bell Beakers.

If I’m not mistaken the amesbury archer guy buried near Stonehenge was from the continent according to oxygen isotope analysis done on his teeth.
He was R1b-L21.

**amXman** · 02-11-2019, 12:54 AM

well did big y 500 on ftdna got R-PF6653
so should be :
R1b
R-L754
R-L389
R-P297
R-M269
R-L23
R-L51
R-L52
R-L151
R-P312
R-U152
R-Z192
R-PF6656 --> R-PF6653