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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post
    yet they have to be vetted by a bunch of Polish-derived Orthodox rabbis in Israel to be considered "real" Jews.
    What do you mean by Polish-derived? Polish Jews are not descended from local converts to Judaism. There is some local admixture but it is a minor part of their ancestry.

    Polish Germans (Germans from territory of Poland) are way more Slavic-descended than Polish Jews. Yet on these white nationalist forums they always claim the opposite.

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    More from Ezra (Chapter 10):

    10 While Ezra was praying and confessing, weeping and throwing himself down before the house of God, a large crowd of Israelites—men, women and children—gathered around him. They too wept bitterly. 2 Then Shekaniah son of Jehiel, one of the descendants of Elam, said to Ezra, “We have been unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women from the peoples around us. But in spite of this, there is still hope for Israel. 3 Now let us make a covenant before our God to send away all these women and their children, in accordance with the counsel of my lord and of those who fear the commands of our God. Let it be done according to the Law. 4 Rise up; this matter is in your hands. We will support you, so take courage and do it.”

    5 So Ezra rose up and put the leading priests and Levites and all Israel under oath to do what had been suggested. And they took the oath. 6 Then Ezra withdrew from before the house of God and went to the room of Jehohanan son of Eliashib. While he was there, he ate no food and drank no water, because he continued to mourn over the unfaithfulness of the exiles.

    7 A proclamation was then issued throughout Judah and Jerusalem for all the exiles to assemble in Jerusalem. 8 Anyone who failed to appear within three days would forfeit all his property, in accordance with the decision of the officials and elders, and would himself be expelled from the assembly of the exiles.

    9 Within the three days, all the men of Judah and Benjamin had gathered in Jerusalem. And on the twentieth day of the ninth month, all the people were sitting in the square before the house of God, greatly distressed by the occasion and because of the rain. 10 Then Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, “You have been unfaithful; you have married foreign women, adding to Israel’s guilt. 11 Now honor[a] the Lord, the God of your ancestors, and do his will. Separate yourselves from the peoples around you and from your foreign wives.”

    12 The whole assembly responded with a loud voice: “You are right! We must do as you say. 13 But there are many people here and it is the rainy season; so we cannot stand outside. Besides, this matter cannot be taken care of in a day or two, because we have sinned greatly in this thing. 14 Let our officials act for the whole assembly. Then let everyone in our towns who has married a foreign woman come at a set time, along with the elders and judges of each town, until the fierce anger of our God in this matter is turned away from us.” 15 Only Jonathan son of Asahel and Jahzeiah son of Tikvah, supported by Meshullam and Shabbethai the Levite, opposed this.

    16 So the exiles did as was proposed. Ezra the priest selected men who were family heads, one from each family division, and all of them designated by name. On the first day of the tenth month they sat down to investigate the cases, 17 and by the first day of the first month they finished dealing with all the men who had married foreign women.

    Those Guilty of Intermarriage
    18 Among the descendants of the priests, the following had married foreign women:

    From the descendants of Joshua son of Jozadak, and his brothers: Maaseiah, Eliezer, Jarib and Gedaliah. 19 (They all gave their hands in pledge to put away their wives, and for their guilt they each presented a ram from the flock as a guilt offering.)

    20 From the descendants of Immer:

    Hanani and Zebadiah.

    21 From the descendants of Harim:

    Maaseiah, Elijah, Shemaiah, Jehiel and Uzziah.

    22 From the descendants of Pashhur:

    Elioenai, Maaseiah, Ishmael, Nethanel, Jozabad and Elasah.

    23 Among the Levites:

    Jozabad, Shimei, Kelaiah (that is, Kelita), Pethahiah, Judah and Eliezer.

    24 From the musicians:

    Eliashib.

    From the gatekeepers:

    Shallum, Telem and Uri.

    25 And among the other Israelites:

    From the descendants of Parosh:

    Ramiah, Izziah, Malkijah, Mijamin, Eleazar, Malkijah and Benaiah.

    26 From the descendants of Elam:

    Mattaniah, Zechariah, Jehiel, Abdi, Jeremoth and Elijah.

    27 From the descendants of Zattu:

    Elioenai, Eliashib, Mattaniah, Jeremoth, Zabad and Aziza.

    28 From the descendants of Bebai:

    Jehohanan, Hananiah, Zabbai and Athlai.

    29 From the descendants of Bani:

    Meshullam, Malluk, Adaiah, Jashub, Sheal and Jeremoth.

    30 From the descendants of Pahath-Moab:

    Adna, Kelal, Benaiah, Maaseiah, Mattaniah, Bezalel, Binnui and Manasseh.

    31 From the descendants of Harim:

    Eliezer, Ishijah, Malkijah, Shemaiah, Shimeon, 32 Benjamin, Malluk and Shemariah.

    33 From the descendants of Hashum:

    Mattenai, Mattattah, Zabad, Eliphelet, Jeremai, Manasseh and Shimei.

    34 From the descendants of Bani:

    Maadai, Amram, Uel, 35 Benaiah, Bedeiah, Keluhi, 36 Vaniah, Meremoth, Eliashib, 37 Mattaniah, Mattenai and Jaasu.

    38 From the descendants of Binnui:[b]

    Shimei, 39 Shelemiah, Nathan, Adaiah, 40 Maknadebai, Shashai, Sharai, 41 Azarel, Shelemiah, Shemariah, 42 Shallum, Amariah and Joseph.

    43 From the descendants of Nebo:

    Jeiel, Mattithiah, Zabad, Zebina, Jaddai, Joel and Benaiah.

    44 All these had married foreign women, and some of them had children by these wives.[c]
    Fucked up anthro-autist shit, but it's Christian and Jewish canon and it makes it clear that intermarriage is a sin and your children will not be Jewish regardless of whether or not you have a dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo123 View Post
    Juda married a canaanite woman, and Tamar was the wife of one of his sons. She gave birth to two sons of Juda, but the bible doesn't say if she was hebrew or canaanite.
    At time of Judah existed only 14 israelites, Jacob himself, his 11 brothers and his sister Dinah. The bible says Judah found Tamar distant from his family, then it makes obvious she was canaanite. And jews are the descendants of Judah, then the only way to he marry a jew woman, was marring a daughter or granddaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    At time of Judah existed only 14 israelites, Jacob himself, his 11 brothers and his sister Dinah. The bible say Judah found Tamar distant from his family, then it makes obvious she was canaanite.
    This is a fabolous argument, Sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo123 View Post
    This is a fabolous argument, Sir!
    The only way Tamar be an israelite was she be a niece of him, the Biblical text is obvious it isn't that fact, then she was canaanite.

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    The Bible also allows for male converts to Judaism who thereafter joined the Israelites, such as Yitro and entire groups like the Kenites.

    The line of any Jew who converts from Judaism ceases to be Jewish in perpetuity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    The Bible also allows for male converts to Judaism who thereafter joined the Israelites, such as Yitro and entire groups like the Kenites.

    The line of any Jew who converts from Judaism ceases to be Jewish in perpetuity.
    The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel were "lost" because they adopted pagan religions. How will they turn back claiming their old israelite root if you said "who converts from Judaism ceases to be Jewish in perpetuity"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel were "lost" because they adopted pagan religions. How will they turn back claiming their old israelite root if you said "who converts from Judaism ceases to be Jewish in perpetuity"?
    1) they were 'lost' because the Assyrians deported and destroyed them
    2) the 'return of the lost tribes' is a myth. There is nothing canonical about their return in Judaism. In fact the Bible specifically mentions refugees from various tribes joining Judah and Benjamin. Simeon probably merged with Judah. These are the 'lost tribes.'

    The Samaritans are also descended from Ephraim, Menashe, Levi and other tribes.

    If their descendants 'return' it will involve conversion to Judaism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    1) they were 'lost' because the Assyrians deported and destroyed them
    2) the 'return of the lost tribes' is a myth. There is nothing canonical about their return in Judaism. In fact the Bible specifically mentions refugees from various tribes joining Judah and Benjamin. Simeon probably merged with Judah. These are the 'lost tribes.'

    The Samaritans are also descended from Ephraim, Menashe, Levi and other tribes.

    If their descendants 'return' it will involve conversion to Judaism.
    Important point of view, but we know doesn't exist unanimity into Judaism(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    Important point of view, but we know doesn't exist unanimity into Judaism(s).
    'good argument but other people disagree, so I'm right'

    come on man.
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