View Poll Results: What is more important NAT/ETH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Perhaps, but it's a thing of even greater beauty, when we make it work in a non-"nation-state."
    Roosevelt declared the formation of American race in his time (nation, ethnicity... it was the same thing back then), the old demographic socle of immigration (WASP) helped a lot in this formation, but the national tissue is now tearing apart because of disparities and communitarian ideology and incessant remoteness from original ethnic core.
    Yet, if we omit "many" phases of your nation's history, we can consider it as a beautiful work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myanthropologies View Post
    I'm surprised there is very little patience for half Middle Eastern compared to half African or half Asian, since a half Middle Eastern half Dutch is extremely more likely to look full Dutch than the other two mixes are.
    Not really. There is a strong general dislike for Moroccans and Turks here in the Netherlands. The crime rates may have something to do with it.



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    Nationality is a Scot so would say that first. Always thought of ethnicity as white so thought nothing much of it.

    The differences confuse me a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Why do people confuse nationality with citizenship? National identity is not always the same as citizenship, just like it is not always the same as ethnicity.
    It is linguistic/culurally-historical problem:
    in the "VIP languages", includes English, Nationality=Citizenship - look to the English terms in you passport.
    Laguages of countries what were for centuries, under foreign rule, distiguished betwen the 2 terms.
    Also the term Nation (národ in Czech lnanguge) means people, unlike in another languages when Nation means country.

    Back to the question - it depends on the country/people and historical period.
    For example for the most Czechs before 1918, was more important their (Czech) ethnicity, than their (Austro-Hungarian) citizenship ("nationality").
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    It is linguistic/culurally-historical problem:
    in the "VIP languages", includes English, Nationality=Citizenship - look to the English terms in you passport.
    Laguages of countries what were for centuries, under foreign rule, distiguished betwen the 2 terms.
    Also the term Nation (národ in Czech lnanguge) means people, unlike in another languages when Nation means country.

    Back to the question - it depends on the country/people and historical period.
    For example for the most Czechs before 1918, was more important their (Czech) ethnicity, than their (Austro-Hungarian) citizenship ("nationality").
    Actually... in Dutch natie means nation but in older books it is also used interchangably with people. The same goes for German Nation.



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    Ethnicity holds more personal meaning for me, but most people would ask for your nationality first.

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    Ethnicity.

    You can get a passport from a foreign country and can speak their language. But you can not change your ethnicity (or ethnicities for mixed people).

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