Should Islam be Banned in Europe and North America?

[Loki]

What's the limit to liberty of expression, and what censorship red lines to draw? this is a frequent question I ask, I want to know everyone's opinion about.

That's a difficult question. Whilst it's easy to say "ban Islam", in practice it opens a can of worms... it's a slippery slope unfortunately. That's why most people don't like any religion to be banned... because the tables can always turn.

[Phenix]

Yeah, I'm allergic to institutional Christianity that is not spiritual but just a tradition of the country. To me that is Christianity that has lost its life-changing power, lost its flavour.

What happened in France was possible because they chased out all the Huguenots a century or so earlier, who were the spiritual pillars of the country.

Calvinism and Gallican Catholicism could have saved Christianity in France, but the triumph of Ultramontanism in mid 19th century after a series of counter-revolutions prefaced the destruction of Christianism, because it was rigid and anti-national in opposition to romantic nationalism of that era, Ultramontanism lost forever, and now the decadence and shame can nibble the rotting corpse of Vatican II.

[Loki]

Calvinism and Gallican Catholicism could have saved Christianity in France, but the triumph of Ultramontanism in mid 19th century after a series of counter-revolutions prefaced the destruction of Christianism, because it was rigid and anti-national in opposition to romantic nationalism of that era, Ultramontanism lost forever, and now the decadence and shame can nibble the rotting corpse of Vatican II.

Ultramontanism?

[Phenix]

That's a difficult question. Whilst it's easy to say "ban Islam", in practice it opens a can of worms... it's a slippery slope unfortunately. That's why most people don't like any religion to be banned... because the tables can always turn.

Youpi, we managed to get off the off-topic and resettle on the original subject, I think nothing must be censored as a fair first rule in political debate, although sure that Muslims won't act fair on this one, but banning Islam is counter productive, it will sent a terrible boost for them, and make anti-Islam look reactionary in the popular opinion, and why doing that anyway? to sustain the globalist system and fix it's faults to better muzzle the opposition afterwards? hell no!
I define as a disciple of the "destroy to rebuild" doctrine.

[Phenix]

Ultramontanism?

It's a branch of Catholic church wanting to subjugate the civil authority to papal and ecclesiastic one, pretty much the Italian/Spanish Catholicism, opposed to Gallicanism or the confederate French Catholicism I must say.

[Loki]

Youpi, we managed to get off the off-topic and resettle on the original subject, I think nothing must be censored as a fair first rule in political debate, although sure that Muslims won't act fair on this one, but banning Islam is counter productive, it will sent a terrible boost for them, and make anti-Islam look reactionary in the popular opinion, and why doing that anyway? to sustain the globalist system and fix it's faults to better muzzle the opposition afterwards? hell no!
I define as a disciple of the "destroy to rebuild" doctrine.

Actually, the reality is that, in the Islamic world, Christianity is as good as banned... and we (our governments) need to take them up on that hypocrisy and demand equal treatment in their countries too. It's rather extraordinary that you won't find many Muslim voices in the West bemoaning the Muslim treatment of other religions in Islamic countries.

[Loki]

It's a branch of Catholic church wanting to subjugate the civil authority to papal and ecclesiastic one, pretty much the Italian/Spanish Catholicism, opposed to Gallicanism or the confederate French Catholicism I must say.

Oh, that's interesting... I didn't know about that. The name is rather misleading, though, since it reminds me of Montanism, which was a spiritual revival movement in the early church, kinda like early Pentecostals. Of course, sadly, they were labelled heretics by the Roman Catholic Church, and persecuted.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Actually, the reality is that, in the Islamic world, Christianity is as good as banned... and we (our governments) need to take them up on that hypocrisy and demand equal treatment in their countries too. It's rather extraordinary that you won't find many Muslim voices in the West bemoaning the Muslim treatment of other religions in Islamic countries.

+1!!!!

[Phenix]

Actually, the reality is that, in the Islamic world, Christianity is as good as banned... and we (our governments) need to take them up on that hypocrisy and demand equal treatment in their countries too. It's rather extraordinary that you won't find many Muslim voices in the West bemoaning the Muslim treatment of other religions in Islamic countries.

No need to equally treating those who don't participate in a crime by malignancy, the criminal inheritance and transmission of the fault are not European principles, neither in Greek logos or Christian charity, remember Europe is build on these two pillars, renouncing on them for security measures will sign an end for Europe even if guards its racial homogeneity, civilization is more than just a skin color or few rituals, it's a creed of intrinsic values.
To deal with this, one have to go chronologically, muslim problem in the West is a consequence of uncontrolled yet legal immigration, deal with this problematic under the regular jurisprudence and the islamic problem will go by itself, having studied the dilemma from various prisms, I can assure that Islam doesn't represent 1/10th of Western illness.

I don't know what that means. I don't support Britains social secularism or social models nor am I a fan of the church of England, I fully accept my views aren't in the majority here.

Here, I waited so one of you can give a wire and show you what communitarian societal model means, it's not a clear answer but a demonstration since both of you are Anglos, it didn't take much time, my critique of the British society is pushing reclusion and incessant divide withing the organic collectivity, transmission of the fault is the best example, very tribal and unsophisticated way of response (but efficient sometimes I admit). Let us not get off-topic again, I just hate to let some terms and concepts unexplained, I'll open a thread (with a poll) soon and discuss the subject wholly.

[Ayetooey]

No need to equally treating those who don't participate in a crime by malignancy, the criminal inheritance and transmission of the fault are not European principles, neither in Greek logos or Christian charity, remember Europe is build on these two pillars, renouncing on them for security measures will sign an end for Europe even if guards its racial homogeneity, civilization is more than just a skin color or few rituals, it's a creed of intrinsic values.
To deal with this, one have to go chronologically, muslim problem in the West is a consequence of uncontrolled yet legal immigration, deal with this problematic under the regular jurisprudence and the islamic problem will go by itself, having studied the dilemma from various prisms, I can assure that Islam doesn't represent 1/10th of Western illness.



Here, I waited so one of you can give a wire and show you what communitarian societal model means, it's not a clear answer but a demonstration since both of you are Anglos, it didn't take much time, my critique of the British society is pushing reclusion and incessant divide withing the organic collectivity, transmission of the fault is the best example, very tribal and unsophisticated way of response (but efficient sometimes I admit). Let us not get off-topic again, I just hate to let some terms and concepts unexplained, I'll open a thread (with a poll) soon and discuss the subject wholly.

What have you smoked and can I have some?