An observation I made on Austrians and Southern Germans

[The Blade]

Northern Germans have lighter hair than the English on average, it is just not as significant as some expect.

It is stlll noticeable, though.

In every other way English can easily compete with Northern Germans in terms of lightness.

English have more melanocompromised skin (Fitzpatrick I-II) than Northern Germans.

Yes, English tan less, as I have said before.
Also, as a group Brits/Irish are lighter-eyed than Germans.
And they are blonder than Austrians and Southern Germans.
Plus, Irish and British people have clearly higher amounts of red hair than Germans/Austrians.
A very large part carry the allele, too:
"Red hair is most commonly found at the northern and western fringes of Europe; it is centered around populations in the British Isles. Redheads today are commonly associated with the Celtic nations.

In Ireland, the percentage of population with red hair is estimated to be at around 10%, making it the world's highest concentrated population of red heads. According to IrelandsDNA, 34.7% of the Irish population carry the allele for red hair, although this doesn't directly translate proportionally into births of red-haired children.

Scotland also has a high percentage with around 6% of the population having red hair, with Edinburgh being the redhead capital of the world. The most redheaded region is the south-east of Scotland with Edinburgh as a red head hotspot. There, four-in-10 carry one of the three most common red hair genes. Scotland as whole has a higher percentage than Ireland, 36.5 per cent as against 34.7 according to a survey taken by BritainsDNA.

England has a red hair prevalence of around 4%, with 28.5% of population having the allele; while in Wales 38% of Welsh people carry the red-haired allele. A 1956 study of hair colour among British Army recruits from Great Britain found higher levels of red hair in Wales and the Scottish border counties of England.

Carleton Coon's 1939 book The Races of Europe stated that rufosity (reddish hair) often occurred in Montenegrins.

In Italy, red hair is found at a frequency of 0.57% of the total population, without variation in frequency across the different regions of the country. In Sardinia, red hair is found at a frequency of 0.24% of the population. Victorian era ethnographers considered the Udmurt people of the Volga Region in Russia to be "the most red-headed men in the world", a claim which has a solid basis even today, as the Volga region has more redheads per population than anywhere else in the world with the exception of Ireland."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair

[cass]

Darker types are more common in Baden than Bavaria or Upper-Austria.

Are you so sure?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...in_germany.png
Map according to the largest survey ever conducted -Schulstatistik.

[Bogdan]

Central Europe has a mixture of people.

[TheAtlantean]

Are you so sure?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...in_germany.png
Map according to the largest survey ever conducted -Schulstatistik.

I was referring to Virchows' survey as well. By dark types I mean olive skin, not just dark hair and eyes. No part of Bavaria has above an remarkably above average frequency of olive skin, but Baden does.

An average of 8.45% schoolchildren in the German Empire had an brown or olive unexposed skin tone (about Fitzpatrick IV).

Bavaria was about average frequency, while Baden had 12.64% olive/brown skin.

Across the Rhine in Alsace-Lorraine 21.36% of schoolchildren had olive/brown skin, which is similar to German Jews at 23.95%.

Interestingly districts of Prussia with many ethnic Poles like Provinz Posen and Reigerungbezirk Opplen had a somewhat above average frequency of olive/brown skin.

The survey would indicate that French and Polish probably have darker skin than ethnic German people at a similar latitude, because generally areas with a greater French or Polish element/influence had darker skin than the more pure Germanic areas.

Baden people are primarily of Allemanic Germanic descent, but have mixed extensively with other groups settling on the fertile Upper-Rhine coming from the West. The Bavarians have been more isolated because an Alpine barrier is more effective than a river barrier.

[Septentrion]

I was referring to Virchows' survey as well. By dark types I mean olive skin, not just dark hair and eyes. No part of Bavaria has above an remarkably above average frequency of olive skin, but Baden does.

An average of 8.45% schoolchildren in the German Empire had an brown or olive unexposed skin tone (about Fitzpatrick IV).

Bavaria was about average frequency, while Baden had 12.64% olive/brown skin.

Across the Rhine in Alsace-Lorraine 21.36% of schoolchildren had olive/brown skin, which is similar to German Jews at 23.95%.

Interestingly districts of Prussia with many ethnic Poles like Provinz Posen and Reigerungbezirk Opplen had a somewhat above average frequency of olive/brown skin.

The survey would indicate that French and Polish probably have darker skin than ethnic German people at a similar latitude, because generally areas with a greater French or Polish element/influence had darker skin than the more pure Germanic areas.

Baden people are primarily of Allemanic Germanic descent, but have mixed extensively with other groups settling on the fertile Upper-Rhine coming from the West. The Bavarians have been more isolated because an Alpine barrier is more effective than a river barrier.

Virchow's studies on skin tone are not according to the Fitzpatrick scale. The Fitzpatrick was used way after his time! Unless you tell us in terms of the Fischer's scale the measurements, then we might be able convert it to the Fitzpatrick one. Or else you are being irrelevant.

[Septentrion]

To put it in blunt words. The British and Irish people are in other words "whiter" than the Germans, Austrians, Poles, Czechs, and the rest of Central Europeans by a margin actually. Other people such as Scandinavians, Balts, North-West Russians are closer to the Brits (many are actually blond-haired and blue-eyed), but are somewhat still more likely to tan the Brits and Irish.

[The Blade]

To put it in blunt words. The British and Irish people are in other words "whiter" than the Germans, Austrians, Poles, Czechs, and the rest of Central Europeans by a margin actually. Other people such as Scandinavians, Balts, North-West Russians are closer to the Brits (many are actually blond-haired and blue-eyed), but are somewhat still more likely to tan the Brits and Irish.

Not whiter but lighter.
Whiteness is a racial matter that includes many things other than pigmentation.
Here we are talking about pigmentation only.

[Septentrion]

Northern Germans have lighter hair than the English on average, it is just not as significant as some expect.

It is stlll noticeable, though.

In every other way English can easily compete with Northern Germans in terms of lightness.

English have more melanocompromised skin (Fitzpatrick I-II) than Northern Germans.

No! They only have a slightly higher frequency of pure blond hair than the English, but cannot even measure up to the English in terms of red/reddish hair. So the English have both, a good amount of blonds and redheads, and a lighter skin than Germans ( I/II) and obviously more light eyes.

[Septentrion]

Not whiter but lighter.
Whiteness is a racial matter that includes many things other than pigmentation.
Here we are talking about pigmentation only.

Exactly!! That's why I said "whiter", I meant in pigmentation! The English are among the "whitest" people on earth!

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I visited Austria recently and from seeing and being around Austrians and Southern Germans, in my view I cannot pass as one. They are much darker than myself in hair colour and eye colour! Lots have Roger Federer's colouring and they have way more of a Central European vibe about them. Many darker Noric types also

What's so new about this lulz ? Austrians are mostly dark haired with blue eyes. If you visited Vienna or any big city though, there's a chance you seen shit ton of Balkanites who live there (and speak German) thus confusing them for locals. Only in Vienna live 300 000 Serbs not counting other white immigrants.