Chivalry: A Muslimah's views

[Mary]

I could not agree more, chilvary is dead now, especially in Europe or in the western world in general. Feminism, gender equality, loss of traditional values etc... are all responsable of that.
It still exists in few countries or regions though like South America, Middle East, some countries in East Asia I think etc... Chilvalry does not equal respect always though, it's just a cultural compulsory for men in some societies if they want to be in the "norms".

I re-discovered it recently in my trips in Middle East. It's very chocking when you are not used to it, I have to say. Especially Levantine men (Lebanese ranked n#1)., believe it or not, they are real gentlemen (in the beginning at least lol). They are more traditional and conservatives, it helps.
What a great feeling! When you have men like that, it's very difficult to even consider "other men".

You just want men to do stuff for women.

[The Lawspeaker]

The low divorce figures of WM-BF are a sign of mutual appreciation while the opposite example is an indication that the marriage was out fantasy and this frenzy is just a mode, generally not viable on the long term because the partner is seen as an exotic sex toy to fulfill the other's ego and radicality vis-à-vis his social group, a disastrous revenge action against societal norms leading to a generalized neurosis.
The American case is the exacerbation of Europe, it is Europe's radical future.

Indeed it is. I am inclined to believe that higher female migration would force Western women to really change their behaviour because they would be out-competed in the dating market. But we shouldn't have to go there.

[Mary]

No. I grew up in a civilized area. The South. And I take calling it "backwards" as an insult. It's bad enough when the Hollanders do it but I will take no such remarks from someone like you. Maybe you grew up in a hellhole where women were treated with contempt. Not me.

In more modern places nobody does this stuff, it would be considered weird.

[The Lawspeaker]

In more modern places nobody does this stuff, it would be considered weird.

Then I will give you the most Southern of answers: "If that is the Modern World, than they can keep it". I recognize that things are changing there too but those who fail to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner in public are the dregs of society. They aren't respectable people. "Keep it in the Randstad". I will not accept any insults to our honour and decency from someone who thinks that women belong in a burqa.

[Phenix]

I could not agree more, chilvary is dead now, especially in Europe or in the western world in general. Feminism, gender equality, loss of traditional values etc... are all responsable of that.
It still exists in few countries or regions though like South America, Middle East, some countries in East Asia I think etc... Chilvalry does not equal respect always though, it's just a cultural compulsory for men in some societies if they want to be in the "norms".

I re-discovered it recently in my trips in Middle East. It's very chocking when you are not used to it, I have to say. Especially Levantine men (Lebanese ranked n#1)., believe it or not, they are real gentlemen (in the beginning at least lol). They are more traditional and conservatives, it helps.
What a great feeling! When you have men like that, it's very difficult to even consider "other men".

All Maghrebi emigrant women I've met refuse to consider their compatriots (or co-ethnic), specially Algerian, it is of no surprise considering we top the world when it is a matter of conjugal violence.

[Breathe]

Did you grow up in a very backwards place?

Somebody please send this old lady to Afghanistan. She will get straightened up ! You live in Europe and European women are very nice. And you’re spoiled.

[The Lawspeaker]

Hun, you need to be sent to Afghanistan. You will get straightened up ! You live in Europe and European women are very nice. And you’re spoiled.

Correction: used to be nice. They have it in them to be the very best of the world but they have become the worst.

[rein]

Correction: used to be nice. They have it in them to be the very best of the world but they have become the worst.

Every generation says that about the next.

[Georgia]

Well, most of men I come across open the door for me or stop their cars to let me cross the road, but I also hold the elevator door open for someone who is a few meters away, give my seat to elderly etc.

Respect and politeness go both ways and everyone deserves them a priori until proven otherwise

[The Lawspeaker]

Every generation says that about the next.

Certainly but moral decline had already started well before I was born. I recognize that my childhood years and the culture/morality I was raised in/with was perhaps the last afterglow of the old world.