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    The only strange thing is the fact you match Greece more than albania on the 23andme country chart. So you're an albo with strong connections to Greece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr View Post
    FROM THE AUTHOR OF K13 and K15 Davidski.

    I need all of your components in order to run nMonte. Don't make another silly comment.


    1. Albanian_Macedonia 7.054998
    2. North_Albanian 7.737332
    3. South_Albania 7.741305
    4. Greek_Thessaly 7.833313
    5. Albanian_Kosovo 8.011142
    6. Albanian_Montenegro 10.865514
    7. Bulgarian 12.749753
    8. Greek_Athens 13.115857

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    Albanian_Macedonia,55
    South_Albania,26.6
    Albanian_Kosovo,10.6
    Greek_Thessaly,3.2
    Bulgarian,2.8
    North_Albanian,1.8


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    Albanian_Macedonia,94
    Macedonian,6
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    The only strange thing is the fact you match Greece more than albania on the 23andme country chart. So you're an albo with strong connections to Greece.
    Yeah that is how it seems even though I think that is not real Greek and most of it is due to the Aromanian/Vllach element, the regions I seem to score close matches are regions which used to be and are inhabited by Vllachs and assimilated Vllachs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I need all of your components in order to run nMonte. Don't make another silly comment.


    1. Albanian_Macedonia 7.054998
    2. North_Albanian 7.737332
    3. South_Albania 7.741305
    4. Greek_Thessaly 7.833313
    5. Albanian_Kosovo 8.011142
    6. Albanian_Montenegro 10.865514
    7. Bulgarian 12.749753
    8. Greek_Athens 13.115857

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    Albanian_Macedonia,55
    South_Albania,26.6
    Albanian_Kosovo,10.6
    Greek_Thessaly,3.2
    Bulgarian,2.8
    North_Albanian,1.8


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    Albanian_Macedonia,94
    Macedonian,6
    OK bro, sorry, it was not ment to deceive or obscure, I just thought I would take the Author's advice.

    So you have your own calculator ?

    those results seem to make sense.

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    Which part of macedonia is your ancestr from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Which part of macedonia is your ancestr from?
    Bitola, it is the second biggest city in Macedonia, south West Macedonia, 10-15km away from the Greek border.

    However unlike many Albanians from that place my family moved to that region in mid 1800s, 6-7 generations ago as I have been told by my grandfather.
    My father's side come from the Devolli Region which is located in South Central Albania.
    My mother's side come from the Erseka region which is located in South eastern Albania.
    Both regions are famous for their siginificant Vllach population, Southern Albania especially the city of Moskopolis used to be the capital of Aromanians in the middle ages.
    Also my family from both sides are Tosk Albanians and not just that they speak a weird Tosk dialect which resembles the dialect spoken by people in Bilisht Town in Albania, also by the words my grandfather used and the way he spoke Albanian, he used many Vllach Slangs which are not really typical for Tosk Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmgewehr View Post
    OK I would appreciate it very much, here you go.

    Oracle 4s will be attached too.

    Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

    The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 30.91
    2 Atlantic_Med 28.52
    3 North_European 26.35
    4 Southwest_Asian 7.36
    5 Gedrosia 3.43
    6 Northwest_African 2.4
    7 East_Asian 0.91
    8 Siberian 0.07
    9 Southeast_Asian 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.32
    2 Greek (Dodecad) 8.69
    3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.11
    4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.23
    5 Romanians (Behar) 10.3
    6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.57
    7 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.51
    8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.92
    9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.39
    10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.02
    11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.27
    12 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.45
    13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.62
    14 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.8
    15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.83
    16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.46
    17 Hungarians (Behar) 24.57
    18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25
    19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.86
    20 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 26.57


    Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 30.91
    2 Atlantic_Med 28.52
    3 North_European 26.35
    4 Southwest_Asian 7.36
    5 Gedrosia 3.43
    6 Northwest_African 2.40


    Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
    12 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.900550
    2 Greek_Dodecad @ 9.579749
    3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 9.883086
    4 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 10.017029
    5 Romanians_Behar @ 11.203382
    6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 11.453381
    7 Tuscan_HGDP @ 12.425861
    8 TSI30_Metspalu @ 12.861574
    9 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.636180
    10 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 16.383774
    11 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 16.645430
    12 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 16.904049
    13 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 17.046209
    14 North_Italian_HGDP @ 18.192425
    15 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 23.755987
    16 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 25.448893
    17 Hungarians_Behar @ 27.038410
    18 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 27.308895
    19 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 28.402822
    20 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 29.184877

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bulgarian_Dodecad +50% C_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.645962


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bulgarians_Yunusbayev +25% O_Italian_Dodecad +25% Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.544344


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.337488
    2 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.430381
    3 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.435250
    4 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.446243
    5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.475573
    6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP @ 1.520038
    7 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.544344
    8 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.579745
    9 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.617607
    10 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Hungarians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.624111
    11 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.645962
    12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP @ 1.668405
    13 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.675207
    14 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + North_Italian_HGDP @ 1.686926
    15 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.744692
    16 Sicilian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.763810
    17 Bulgarian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.797392
    18 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 1.812401
    19 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar + Romanians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.824924
    20 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Romanians_Behar + Romanians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.825104

    Done.

    Elapsed time 0.5946 seconds.
    [1] "distance%=2.3362 / distance=0.023362"

    Sturmgewehr_Southern_Albanian

    Albanian_North (N=4) 57.5
    Albanian_Laberia (N=4) 42.5

    You can easily be modeled as roughly half north and half south Albanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    The only strange thing is the fact you match Greece more than albania on the 23andme country chart. So you're an albo with strong connections to Greece.
    He is a Cretan Albo
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I need all of your components in order to run nMonte. Don't make another silly comment.
    Where is nMonte tools/thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Where is nMonte tools/thread?
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....-to-Use-nMonte
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    K13 and K15 are weak sauce and not very good for admixed populations.
    Can't speak to homogeneous populations, but for admixed populations MDLP K16 Modern is better.
    In particular K15 is poor at accurately assigning Ashkenazi ancestry.
    They overestimate Ashkenazi in South/Central Italians and Greeks and in reverse for Ashkenazim.

    One thing one could see from K 15 is that Ashkenazi Jews according to that test are far more heterogeneous than most "educated" people are willing to admit.

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