Surnames Argentina. Frequencies.

[lisarb]

i said that period without checking i meant that german emigration to entre rios (maybe it was volga german) was old. The euro emigration to argentina peak was 1900-1930 but german emigrated to Argentina before that

German colonies in entre rios



What i have noticed both in argentina and brazil is that older immigrations to rural areas were very important since populations were small and rural peasants had a lot of kids

olha as datas de fundação dessas colonias todas depois de 1870 os censo antigos da argentina diz que não existia muitos alemães na argentina

[lisarb]

It's funny because I have friends and relatives with all those surnames!

Yes, it reflects exactly the same division that I've marked on the map. They concentrated in the rural pampean areas of the province, from the sierras mountain range to the east, around the train stations that were recently built. Before mass european immigration, population in Cordoba was concentrated in the sierras, traslasierra and Cordoba city (north and west). After that, the rural interior to the east started to grow and larger cities surged: Río Cuarto, Río Tercero, Villa María, Marcos Juárez, San Francisco, etc.



I've noticed the same. In fact, I've read somewhere that Germans were the most fertile ethnic group in Brazil at the time, averaging more than 5 children per woman.

My Swiss great-grandmother had 10 siblings. And it was normal! I have a picture of the eleven kids together and it's impressive! My Piedmontese family (all the branches), on the other side, didn't have too many children, idk why the difference. It seems that the Germans were very fertile at that time

de 10 a 15 hijos por mujer en brasil antiguamente

[Marco94]

de 10 a 15 hijos por mujer en brasil antiguamente

Wow, that's impressive! They were like mennonites at that time. The opposite of modern Germans for sure lol

[lisarb]

Wow, that's impressive! They were like mennonites at that time. The opposite of modern Germans for sure lol

es por eso que brasil tiene tanta gente hoy!

[Erronkari]

es por eso que brasil tiene tanta gente hoy!

Segundo alguns estudos olhei que o Brasil possui en torno de 12 milhoes de descendentes de alemaes (a 3ira maior comunidade alema do mundo).
Porem eu acho que devería ser maior, de 15 a 20 milhoes de descendentes acho que sería mais acurado, nao sei.

[Argentano]

olha as datas de fundação dessas colonias todas depois de 1870 os censo antigos da argentina diz que não existia muitos alemães na argentina

In 1895 most german immigrants in Entre rios were "Russians" who in reality were volga germans. Some were even german brazilians (Aldea brasilera)

Take into consideration argentine provinces were not very populated by that time, for example

1872 RGS Population 434.813

1869 Entre Rios Population 134.271

You didnt need many immigrants to have an impact in certain regions

La Provincia de Entre Ríos
HISTORIA DE ENTRE RIOS

INMIGRANTES Y COLONOS

El general Justo José de Urquiza dio un gran impulso a la colonización. Por su iniciativa, el 1º de julio de 1857 se instaló en el este de la provincia un importante grupo de suizos, provenientes en su mayoría del cantón de Valais. Allí fundaron colonia San José y comenzaron a cultivar la tierra. En 1859 llegaron nuevos grupos. Ruso-alemanes del volga, agricultores y avicultores, ingresaron en el año 1878. Formaron aldeas en la colonia General Alvear, del departamento de Diamante. Después se distribuyeron por toda la provincia. A fines del siglo pasado llegaron grupos de Judíos. se dispersaron por las colonias Lucienville, Clara, San Antonio, López, Berro y Santa Isabel. Se dedicaron a la cría de ganado, la industria lechera,. la avicultura y la fruticultura. Hubo también contingentes de latinos, españoles e italianos, que vinieron a poblar Entre Ríos, así como otros rincones del país. con el tiempo, inmigrantes y criollos compartieron educación, trabajo y sacrificio, y todos juntos forjaron un gran pueblo sobre la tierra generosa de Entre Ríos.
Desde la década de 1870, Entre Ríos presenció el incremento del establecimiento de colonias agrícolas. Sarmiento estableció la escuela Normal en Paraná en 1871, ciudad que reemplazó como capital provincial a Concepción del Uruguay en 1869.
El Banco de Entre Ríos se creó en 1884 y la provincia estuvo gobernada durante la última década del siglo XIX por gobernadores progresistas que permitieron la creación, en 1900, de la primera cooperativa agrícola.

Notice how Entre Rios is actually the most german region of Argentina





Misiones is another province that is more german than what its immigration numbers say, because it recieved many german brazilians

[Argentano]

Yep. Sandoz I think is Swiss-French (from the French part of Valais).

But there are others very common that are from the German part: Imsand, Imfeld, Imwinkelried, Ausdereggen, Hischier, Biderbost, etc. I myself have those surnames in my family tree (though some are from way back).

EDIT: we could also add French surnames (Bernard, Durand, etc.) and you Mr. Wog could do it with Basque surnames maybe!

French suranmes peak in some areas of entre rios because of early emigration

Aca un articulo que habla de esta inmigracion


https://www.lanacion.com.ar/759671-c...-en-entre-rios

[Argentano]

It's funny because I have friends and relatives with all those surnames!

Yes, it reflects exactly the same division that I've marked on the map. They concentrated in the rural pampean areas of the province, from the sierras mountain range to the east, around the train stations that were recently built. Before mass european immigration, population in Cordoba was concentrated in the sierras, traslasierra and Cordoba city (north and west). After that, the rural interior to the east started to grow and larger cities surged: Río Cuarto, Río Tercero, Villa María, Marcos Juárez, San Francisco, etc.

Its surprising its 100% like your map

[Marco94]

French suranmes peak in some areas of entre rios because of early emigration

Aca un articulo que habla de esta inmigracion


https://www.lanacion.com.ar/759671-c...-en-entre-rios

Pretty much what I thought.

Non-Basque Frenchmen settled almost exclusively in Entre Rios and some in Santa Fe provinces, while French-Basques settled in other areas too. Here in Cordoba I know a couple of French-Basque descendants (I know like three non-related Etcheverrys lol it must have been really common).

[lisarb]

In 1895 most german immigrants in Entre rios were "Russians" who in reality were volga germans. Some were even german brazilians (Aldea brasilera)

Take into consideration argentine provinces were not very populated by that time, for example

1872 RGS Population 434.813

1869 Entre Rios Population 134.271

You didnt need many immigrants to have an impact in certain regions




Notice how Entre Rios is actually the most german region of Argentina





Misiones is another province that is more german than what its immigration numbers say, because it recieved many german brazilians

estou falando da imigração antes de 1870