Which sanctions were more unfair: those against South Africa or those against Cuba?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

lol where is China?

China is a more of a recent phenomena

[Phenix]

lol where is China?

Here you go.

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[sean]

South Africa.

The failure to assert themselves and the nonsensical belief there would be a Western intervention on behalf of blacks coupled with the pathetic capitulation by the ruling elite because they couldn't watch the Springboks play the blacks in New Zealand and couldn't import nice Japanese stereos and American muscle cars destroyed the future for every generation after 1992.

Although, US sanctions were implemented in 1986 and most were repealed in 1991. Ronald Reagan was even nice enough to ‘slow walk’ the implementation of the sanctions. Britain, France, Japan and Israel refused to impose sanctions. British companies trading in South Africa were told they could disinvest on a voluntary basis but they wouldn't be put under pressure to do so by the British government.

What's funny is that under Apartheid, when the world turned its back on South Africa with sanctions, they still managed to build up a modern military (also interesting to note, Koevoet was made up of South African cops that drove around in Casspirs deleting insurgents off the face of the earth in shorts and singlets while smashing tinnies of beer. No ROE, no uniforms, just big armoured trucks, helicopters, 30mm automatic cannons and small arms. They had a higher kill count then any other unit in the South African Border War, including the Recces and Parabats), and even managed to create half a dozen nuclear bombs (which is peanuts, I know, but given the circumstances, it's pretty incredible) and there were plenty of jobs, even Africans from neighbouring countries poured into South Africa during Apartheid for work, that's how good things were back then. Eskom once provided power all the way to the Cameroon and railways from Kinshasa southwards brought unfinished goods to Durban to be exported to the world.

Effectively, South Africa controlled the entire southern third of Africa economically - the greater Bantu lands.

Similarly, it was ludicrous for the US to impose such a brutal and all-encompassing embargo on Cuba all in the name of "human rights and democracy", even while supporting hideous dictators in Haiti, Central America and the Southern Cone that made Castro look almost saintly by comparison.

US sanctions on Cuba barely effected them in reality, as they were able to trade with others that still traded with America. If I'm not mistaken, a good number of those sanctions originate from Cuba becoming "La Missile Base" some 60 years ago. Others include drug trafficking, human trafficking, weapon smuggling, money laundering, and supporting foreign dictatorships such as Venezuela.

Cuba is a prime example of how totally shitty life can get and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.



Cuba and Venezuela have their people in horrible living conditions. Even Cuban-Americans want sanctions on Cuba. They were mad that Obama opened relations with Cuba.

They do not want easy immigration, they want political pressure that makes life hell for Cuban government to force communist regime to be removed.

Biden almost lost Miami-Dade county (Little Havana), there was a 30 point swing towards Trump in Dade county and 60-90% of Hispanics (Cubans and Venezuelans) who aren't Mexican voted for Trump.

Broward county cheats every election and they still planned to use the same apparatus, the same staff that hasn't been fully pulled out of this Democrat stronghold, the same mail in voting scam and request mail in ballots with just a name, birthdate, and fake address.

It was going to happen again and Trump would have lost Florida if not for the fact something like 300,000 Hispanics flipped party and voted for Trump. No amount of voter fraud could have stopped this right-wing wave and Republican Governor DeSantis stopped Broward from being able to pull a "water pipe" style count stop to find more ballots for Biden.

If they could have gotten away with it, Broward county would have flipped the state like they cheated in the 2018 race. But the shift in Dade county would have forced them to do something so overtly fraudulent like 130% voter turnout on top of what they already were committing.

And now that Trump's gone I think Biden would consider lifting the economic embargo on Cuba which Obama removed but then Trump put back into effect.