Uyghurs: What is their real Mongoloid / Caucasian admixture on average ?

[ButlerKing]

Turkmens in Turkmenistan are more Caucasoid than Mongoloid. My mom lived in the Turkmen SSR and she said they were not really 'gooks' (slant-eyed).

Here are Turkmen and they look gook.

[Blondie]

I think what you mean is the Tocharians and other Indo-Iranian groups of the Tarim basin. The Uyghurs were never white.

They were white, uyghurs have indo-european origins.

[Leto]

Looks do not always reflect admixture. Bashkirs are rarely over 40% East Eurasian, yet they often look pretty Mongoloid. I mean to a Russian eye they look more Asian than European and I assume to a French or English eye even more so.

This young woman doesn't look European either

Her father is white, from the Midwest of the US which is heavily Germanic as far as I know, and her mother is Japanese



AncestryDNA Results:

50% Japan

41% Germanic Europe
7% Sweden
2% Ireland, Wales & Scotland


23andme Results:

East Asian & Native American 50%
- Japanese 47.0%
- Korean 1.0%
- Broadly Japanese & Korean 1.3%
- Broadly Northern Asian & Native American 0.1%
- Broadly East Asian & Native American 0.6%

European 49.9%
- French & German 31.4%
- Scandinavian 4.2%
- British & Irish 2.7%
- Eastern European 1.8%
- Broadly Northwestern European 6.9%
- Broadly Southern European 0.8%
- Broadly European 2.2%

Unassigned 0.1%

Now imagine if Germans or Britons colonized an island of Japan 200 years ago and immediately strated to mix with the locals. What would their descendants look like 200 years (~8 generations) later?

[Pandur]

[Leto]

Here are Turkmen and they look gook.

Turkmens are basically a mix of Uzbek-like Turkics and Persians. Uzbeks are around 30-40% East Eurasian.

[ButlerKing]

Looks do not always reflect admixture. Bashkirs are rarely over 40% East Eurasian, yet they often look pretty Mongoloid. I mean to a Russian eye they look more Asian than European and I assume to a French or English eye even more so.

This young woman doesn't look European either

Now imagine if Germans or Britons colonized an island of Japan 200 years ago and immediately strated to mix with the locals. What would their descendants look like 200 years (~8 generations) later?

No one in history had ever colonized Japan, they only been occupied by allies.
To make a race 100 million slanty eyes into white you have to sacrifise 100 million white immigrants.

[ButlerKing]

Turkmens are basically a mix of Uzbek-like Turkics and Persians. Uzbeks are around 30-40% East Eurasian.

I beg to differ most Uzbeks study I've seen the lowest on average was 39% East Eurasian highest was 49.8% East Eurasian ( although there are individuals reaching over 56-59% )

You are lowering their East Eurasian admixtures way too much.

[Leto]

No would in history had ever colonized Japan, they only been occupied by allies.
To make a race 100 million slanty eyes into white you have to sacrifise 100 million white immigrants.

Lol. Did you understand what I actually meant? WHAT IF THAT HAPPENED? Do you know the word 'hypothetically'?

[sailormoon]

On average, it's 60% European and 40% East Asian. The proportion of East Asian ancestry in UIG individuals ranges from 15.7% to 59.7%, and the proportion of European ancestry in UIG individuals ranges from 40.3% to 84.3% (Xu et al. 2008).


Figure 5. Summary Plot of Individual Admixture Proportions

The results of individual admixture proportions estimated from 83 AIMs. Each individual is represented by a single vertical line broken into two colored segments, with lengths proportional to each of the two inferred clusters. Red indicates East Asian ancestry proportion, and blue indicates European ancestry proportion. The predefined population IDs (CHB, UIG, and CEU) are presented on the abscissa. The ordinate indicates the proportion unit.

With the assumption that East Asian and European populations were the only two parental populations, STRUCTURE provided the probability of an allele being derived from either the East Asian cluster or the European cluster. The natural logarithms of the probability ratio (LnPR) that an allele was derived from the East Asian cluster over the European cluster were estimated, and the results are depicted in Figure 7. The results provide information on the ancestry of the chromosome segments for each individual (see Supplemental Data for details). As expected, the UIG haplotypes showed contributions from both parental populations (Figure 7). The contribution from European ancestry was greater than that from East Asian ancestry in UIG. The mean contributions of ancestry were 60% (minimum 40.3% and maximum 84.3%) from European ancestry and 40% (minimum 15.7% and maximum 59.7%) from East Asian ancestry.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...02929708001663

[Leto]

Roxana Saberi is half Persian, half Japanese. This is her with her parents. About 50% East Eurasian.