Are Britain/Ireland Closer to France and Spain(west), or Germany, Netherlands and Scandinavia?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

To whom are they closer in terms of haplogroups distribution? Isn't it France?

[Bellbeaking]

To whom are they closer in terms of haplogroups distribution? Isn't it France?

Belgium and Netherlands then France.

why would one care about Haplogroups anyway?

[Bellbeaking]

I can't read the article because it is behind a pay wall.

use sci-hub, google it

[The Lawspeaker]

use sci-hub, google it

Then you might just as well link me to it.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Belgium and Netherlands then France.

why would one care about Haplogroups anyway?

To know who has more common ancestors.

[Smeagol]

They're genetically closer to Germans, including Dutch, and Scandinavians. Not really debatable.

[Bellbeaking]

To know who has more common ancestors.

Iberian Y-DNA was 100% replaced by the invading Indo-Europeans, but only on the paternal side https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/...ve-my-enemies/

Meaning haplogroups are not really an accurate representation of ancestral similarity.

Then you might just as well link me to it.

sure

https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.natur...es/nature25738

[Dacul]

Germans are very diverse, from genetic point of view.
Only Southern Germans which as a coincidence are on the land where it was the core of Hallstat Kelts culture, are more Western Shifted.
From the genetic point of view is clear that Brits and Irish are closest between them and after to Dutch and West Norwegians.
But I think that the original poster asked about the ethno-cultural point of view.
From what I have seen, leaving English aside, from an ethno-cultural point of view,for sure Irish and Scotts and Welsh are most far away from the Germans and the French.
Maybe also to the Dutch and West Norwegians, as way of being, these Irish and nonEnglish Brits should be.
With the difference that they (Irish, Scottish and Welsh and English people) talk a lot more ,but Dutch people are also talkative.
West Norwegians are not so talkative.

English people are most shifted towards Germans as behavior but that is obvious, because AngloSaxons, Romans and Normans cultural influence.

[Bellbeaking]

good enjoyable thread this was and is

[Grace O'Malley]

Germans are very diverse, from genetic point of view.
Only Southern Germans which as a coincidence are on the land where it was the core of Hallstat Kelts culture, are more Western Shifted.
From the genetic point of view is clear that Brits and Irish are closest between them and after to Dutch and West Norwegians.
But I think that the original poster asked about the ethno-cultural point of view.
From what I have seen, leaving English aside, from an ethno-cultural point of view,for sure Irish and Scotts and Welsh are most far away from the Germans and the French.
Maybe also to the Dutch and West Norwegians, as way of being, these Irish and nonEnglish Brits should be.
With the difference that they (Irish, Scottish and Welsh and English people) talk a lot more ,but Dutch people are also talkative.
West Norwegians are not so talkative.

English people are most shifted towards Germans as behavior but that is obvious, because AngloSaxons, Romans and Normans cultural influence.

Brits and Irish are closer to Dutch and Scandinavians than Southern German. I think they are closer to Northern Germans than Southern Germans. Anyway there are a few differences I've noticed in Gedmatch results with English having a bit more of a southern pull and being closer to the South Dutch and Belgians and Irish are closer to the North Dutch and Norwegians. Sikeliot had a thread with Gedmatch results on here that I might link later.

This if my K13 just as an example.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.79
2 Baltic 25.5
3 West_Med 10.04
4 West_Asian 7.38
5 East_Med 1.64
6 Red_Sea 1.41
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Siberian 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.16
10 South_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.85
2 Irish 3.05
3 Norwegian 3.39
4 West_Scottish 3.65
5 Danish 3.68
6 Orcadian 3.71
7 North_German 5.21
8 Southeast_English 6.05
9 Southwest_English 6.21
10 Swedish 6.25
11 South_Dutch 10.07
12 West_German 10.91
13 North_Swedish 12.59
14 Austrian 15.02
15 East_German 15.15
16 French 15.82
17 Hungarian 19.32
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.83
19 Spanish_Cataluna 23.19
20 South_Polish 23.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.6% Irish + 45.4% Norwegian @ 2.09
2 53% Norwegian + 47% West_Scottish @ 2.2
3 74.8% Irish + 25.2% Swedish @ 2.34
4 86.8% Irish + 13.2% North_Swedish @ 2.41
5 55.3% North_Dutch + 44.7% Irish @ 2.42
6 67.8% West_Scottish + 32.2% Swedish @ 2.43
7 93.6% Irish + 6.4% Finnish @ 2.46
8 65.9% North_Dutch + 34.1% West_Scottish @ 2.49
9 94.5% Irish + 5.5% East_Finnish @ 2.51
10 92.3% Irish + 7.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.52
11 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Chuvash @ 2.54
12 94.1% Irish + 5.9% La_Brana-1 @ 2.56
13 73.2% Irish + 26.8% North_German @ 2.56
14 96.6% Irish + 3.4% Mari @ 2.59
15 95.7% Irish + 4.3% Erzya @ 2.6
16 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Estonian @ 2.6
17 63.8% West_Scottish + 36.2% North_German @ 2.61
18 82.8% West_Scottish + 17.2% North_Swedish @ 2.61
19 91.2% West_Scottish + 8.8% Finnish @ 2.62
20 62.3% Irish + 37.7% Danish @ 2.62

There might also be some differences in different areas as well. In the PoBI they found that the "Celtic" populations had more differences than the large swath of Eastern English. The same with the Irish DNA Atlas with the west and south of Ireland having more differences than the East of Ireland. The reason why the east coast of both Ireland and Britain was more similar was due to a homogenising affect where people mixed more with each were both the western coasts had populations with kept more to each other creating more differences.