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Thread: Creelo u no, Franco y Castro eran amigos (hasta cierto punto).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    Yeah, I agree with your points. Left-Right divide is very poor to define modern politics. I don't even know why we still use terms dating from the French Revolution tbh.
    And not only that.
    The meaning of Right and Left it's not the same in Europe, in USA, in Canada and even less in Latin America, where "left" is more related to populist-demagogic governments, which boast to be the most democratics of the earth and it's just the opposite.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Wog View Post
    And not only that.
    The meaning of Right and Left it's not the same in Europe, in USA, in Canada and even less in Latin America, where "left" is more related to populist-demagogic governments, which boast to be the most democratics of the earth and it's just the opposite.
    Yes, the clean-cut and orderly social democracy as practiced in Scandinavia and to some extent France and Germany is worlds apart from the corrupt populism of people like Ortega, Chavez, Maduro, Correa and Cristina Kirchner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Yes, the clean-cut and orderly social democracy as practiced in Scandinavia and to some extent France and Germany is worlds apart from the corrupt populism of people like Ortega, Chavez, Maduro, Correa and Cristina Kirchner.
    lol

    Correa was actually an excellent president. The insane trend of considering all ''Latin American leftists'' as if they are the same thing never stops.

    Between Lula and Kirchner and their progressive-socialism and Correa social-nationalism there's an abyss. Correa and Morales are actually great men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    lol

    Correa was actually an excellent president. The insane trend of considering all ''Latin American leftists'' as if they are the same thing never stops.

    Between Lula and Kirchner and their progressive-socialism and Correa social-nationalism there's an abyss. Correa and Morales are actually great men.
    Morales I do have time for - his land reform programme and expansion of state education and healthcare do seem to have made a difference, and at least for now he doesn't seem to have the deeply corrupt and authoritarian strain that many of those I just listed have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Yes, the clean-cut and orderly social democracy as practiced in Scandinavia and to some extent France and Germany is worlds apart from the corrupt populism of people like Ortega, Chavez, Maduro, Correa and Cristina Kirchner.
    Exactly my bro. Totally and absolutely agree with you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    lol

    Correa was actually an excellent president. The insane trend of considering all ''Latin American leftists'' as if they are the same thing never stops.

    Between Lula and Kirchner and their progressive-socialism and Correa social-nationalism there's an abyss. Correa and Morales are actually great men.
    Please, don 't put Lula and Cristina in the same level.
    Between that women and Chávez is no difference.
    Unless you were talking about Néstor, but Cristina not only was a terrible president but she is also a perverse and bad person.
    Indeed her ideology is the chavism.
    Impossible to compare with Lula IMO.
    I am not saying that I support Lula... I don't really know how was exactly his government, but I can't imagine that it would be similar to her...

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    Cuando en los 90 Castro acudió a visitar España hizo una parada en Galicia, donde vivía parte de su familia, fue recibido muy solemnemente por Fraga, quien dijo de él que era un gallego ejemplar que había llegado muy lejos.

    Yo creo que es pura y simple admiración entre gallegos. Los gallegos a pesar de ser gente emigrante, son gente que tiene mucho apego a su tierra. Ejemplos hay muchos: el Celta de Vigo es propiedad de un empresario mexicano de origen gallego; Slim (que es parcialmente asturiano de la parte más pegada a Galicia) veranea en Avión, un pueblo de Ourense, junto a Olegario Vázquez, propietario de Televisa y también descendiente de gallegos, también ha adquirido al Real Oviedo; Pemex encarga la construcción sus barcos petroleros a los astilleros de Ferrol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post
    Cuando en los 90 Castro acudió a visitar España hizo una parada en Galicia, donde vivía parte de su familia, fue recibido muy solemnemente por Fraga, quien dijo de él que era un gallego ejemplar que había llegado muy lejos.

    Yo creo que es pura y simple admiración entre gallegos. Los gallegos a pesar de ser gente emigrante, son gente que tiene mucho apego a su tierra. Ejemplos hay muchos: el Celta de Vigo es propiedad de un empresario mexicano de origen gallego; Slim (que es parcialmente asturiano de la parte más pegada a Galicia) veranea en Avión, un pueblo de Ourense, junto a Olegario Vázquez, propietario de Televisa y también descendiente de gallegos, también ha adquirido al Real Oviedo; Pemex encarga la construcción sus barcos petroleros a los astilleros de Ferrol...
    Tiene mucho sentido.
    De hecho la "morriña" es un sentimiento que no sólo lleva todo gallego sino todo descendiente de gallegos aún no habiendo ido nunca a Galicia. El apego por dicha tierra es total.
    Y creo que eso queda plasmado muy bien en la canción "El Abuelo" de Alberto Cortez.

    Es un pueblo maravilloso, de hecho, cuando en 2001 estalló la crisis en Argentina, casi ningún pueblo se preocupó tanto por la situación como lo hicieron en Galicia por el país en general y en especial por su diáspora en el mismo.

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    Este es un ejemplo particularmente bueno de como lo que se considera convencionalmente "opuestos polares" a menudo no lo son - ni mucho menos. Pero tambien hay otros ejemplos igualmente o incluso mas prominantes e importantes: nacionalistas negros y nacionalistas blancos colaborando felizmente, como es el caso con Dieudonne y Jean-Marie Le Pen (y no se olvide que la Nacion de Islam esta lleno de nazi simpatizantes); en su turno, Israel ha colaborado con regimenes e individuos abiertamente antisemitas como el gobierno de Apartheid en Sudafrica y la ya mencionada junta argentina. Aun asi, la reina-madre de ese fenomeno tiene que ser el Pacto Molotov-Ribbentrop, que en efecto ruino Europa del Este. (Esta nocion que los nazistas eran "la extrema derecha" es en si misma muy dudosa - se llamaban Nacionalistas Socialistas por una razon - pero eso es otra debate).

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    ¿Y Maduro y Erdogan?

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