What ethnicity were the people of Medieval Bosnia?

[Pribislav]

Autosomal, Y-DNA..I2

Scientific mainstream is that I2a1b2a1 came to Balkans from eastern Europe. I visit Russian forums about genetic somethimes, and many people there think that I2a1b2a1 came to eastern Europe from Balkans. They claim migrations of Balkan tribes towards the eastern Europein in time of Roman conquest of Balkans.
I2a1b2a1 has peak in Dinaric Alps, and many people can not to conect mountains with Slavs.

[Pribislav]

According to this map, only a small portion of the land west of the Vrbas River was Chakavian-speaking:



Most of western Bosnia (west of Vrbas) is Shtokavian-speaking there.



I already mentioned that Časlav conquered Bosnia in the OP. The first time that Bosnia proper (central Bosnia) was mentioned as a territory was by Constantine Porfirogenet in the mid-10th century when it was part of Časlav's domain. I've heard that it was distinguished from Serbia proper though, I'll see if I can find a source for that later.

By the way, the Catholic diocese in central Bosnia (Vrhbosna) was established in 877, so it was definitely Catholic before Časlav conquered Bosnia. This doesn't prove much to you, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.



What about Tvrtko? Or was he also from west of the Vrbas River?

I don't know how much that map is accurate.

What? Catholic diocese in 877?
In 877 there was no Catholicism neither Orthodoxy but uniform Christianity. We can speak about Catholicism and Orthodoxy since Schism 1054 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Schism

Of course Tvrtko was not from western Bosnia. He and his ancestors were from Bobovac, and that is almost in eastern Bosnia. Graves of most of rulers from Kotromanić dynasty are in Bobovac.

[Cumansky]

Scientific mainstream is that I2a1b2a1 came to Balkans from eastern Europe. I visit Russian forums about genetic somethimes, and many people there think that I2a1b2a1 came to eastern Europe from Balkans. They claim migrations of Balkan tribes towards the eastern Europein in time of Roman conquest of Balkans.
I2a1b2a1 has peak in Dinaric Alps, and many people can not to conect mountains with Slavs.

Russian forumers is right, on my origin I2a1b2, Vlach. We descended from Dragos Voda according to Russo-Moldovan chronicles around 100 or less Polish families belongs to this specific house.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Dragoș

Maramureş,
Oaș Country,
Moldavia,
Transylvania,
Kingdom of Hungary,
Poland,
Grand Duchy of Lithuania,
Ruthenian Voivodeship

"Currently the family descendants live in Romania (Maramureș County and Oaș Country of Satu Mare County), also in Poland, Ukraine."

[Mingle]

What? Catholic diocese in 877?
In 877 there was no Catholicism neither Orthodoxy but uniform Christianity. We can speak about Catholicism and Orthodoxy since Schism 1054 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Schism

My bad, forgot about that.

Was referencing this. Guess they're using the term Catholic for Christianity in general back then. It says the Catholic diocese is again established in 1060 so they may have called the other diocese Catholic because there was some sort of continuity between the two?

Of course Tvrtko was not from western Bosnia. He and his ancestors were from Bobovac, and that is almost in eastern Bosnia. Graves of most of rulers from Kotromanić dynasty are in Bobovac.

His name is only used by Croats.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Tvrtko was surely half Croat , his mother was Šubić. Original Croat tribal nobility which created first Kingdom (later known as Zrinski).

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't buy west-east Bosnia ethnic division either, except in extreme east. Loads of Croats descend from native Catholics of northeastern Bosnia including me in one part.
My roots are partly from Gradačac, which is pretty eastern. There were always Croats there.

[Pribislav]

His name is only used by Croats.

Croat which crowned in Serbian Orthodox monastery, and which sented own vojvoda Vlatko Vuković in battle of Kosovo to help prince Lazar against the Ottomans.
If he was Catholic there was no chance to crowned in Orthodox monastery by Orthodox ceremony. Existence of Orthodox Croatians in middle age and in general is not known to me.

You are not familiar with Serbian and Croatian languages and etymology.
Tvrtko came from word Tvrd which means hard on Serbian language https://recnik.krstarica.com/?text=&...sr&dst=en&do=1

Again: Tvtko and his ancestors were from Bobovac near Vareš.
Vareš is 160 km east of Vrbas river and Croatians never lived east of Vrbas. Why this is so difficult for you to understand?

[Mingle]

I don't buy west-east Bosnia ethnic division either, except in extreme east. Loads of Croats descend from native Catholics of northeastern Bosnia including me in one part.
My roots are partly from Gradačac, which is pretty eastern. There were always Croats there.

According to the link I gave at least, it was a north/west and south/east division with the northern & western parts being Catholic and the southern & eastern parts being Orthodox. Gradačac would probably count as northern Bosnia in that division. Also, it likely wasn't an evenly split division between the north/west and south/east.

[Pribislav]

I don't buy west-east Bosnia ethnic division either, except in extreme east. Loads of Croats descend from native Catholics of northeastern Bosnia including me in one part.
My roots are partly from Gradačac, which is pretty eastern. There were always Croats there.

Mladen IV Šubić was half Serb. His mother was Jelena Nemanjić, sister of Serbian tsar Dušan https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mladen...263;_Bribirski
Still he was not Serb, and nobody of Serbs says that he was.

[Gold-Shekel]

I like how the focus is on leaders and kings... THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND IS GERMAN!

Bosniak, Croat and Serb are modern concepts and have nothing to do with their medieval versions, so it's not as simple as that. Bosniaks were called Bosnjanin for example and it wasn't an ethnic denomination like it is today. Croat and Serb are very limited and to call people of Bosnia at that time Croat or Serb would be like calling them Ostrogoths.

What we know is that Orthodox in Bosnia became Serbs during Ottoman times (18th century), Catholics in Bosnia became Croats during Yugoslavia/NDH and that Muslims have taken"Bosniak" as their ethnic denomination even though it was always used regardless of religion.