How come ethnic minorities/immigrants in France are much more uniformly poor than in the UK?

[Tooting Carmen]

My impression is that, compared to the UK, immigrants and ethnic minorities in France are much more uniformly poor - not only the Blacks and MENAs but even immigrants from other parts of Europe, such as the Poles and Portuguese. They seem to be somewhat more segregated in France than in the UK, and the banlieues seem to be more dangerous, impoverished and crime-ridden than the UK's inner-city areas. (From what I recall, Saint-Seine Denis in outer Paris actually has the highest crime rate in all of Western Europe!)

By contrast, while it is true that there is some racial segregation in Britain, and immigrants and ethnic minorities do tend to live disproportionately in disadvantaged areas, at the same time there is nowadays a substantial ethnic-minority middle-class (particularly of South Asians, less so of Blacks), which doesn't really seem to be the case in France. What explains this difference?

[Rouxinol]

What? European immigrants in France don't live in the banlieues anymore, well, most of them don't. It's pure Muslim and African territory.

[Comocudostrouxas]

UK got shitty radical Muslims (like Pakis and other degenerates) and Blacks who commit a lot of crimes but also a lot of educated immigrants like some richer secularized Arabs and upper caste Indians and Sikhs.

France got mostly Maghrebis and non-educated SSAs. The European immigrants there don't live in banlieues.

[Tooting Carmen]

What? European immigrants in France don't live in the banlieues anymore, well, most of them don't. It's pure Muslim and African territory.

Maybe not in the banlieues so much, but they are still disproportionately poorer-than-average.

[Rouxinol]

Maybe not in the banlieues so much, but they are still disproportionately poorer-than-average.

I don't think they're disproportionately poorer unless you consider 1st generation immigrants only. Most 2nd, 3rd, n-th generation European immigrants in France are 100% integrated in French society as much as any other ethnic French.

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't think they're disproportionately poorer unless you consider 1st generation immigrants only. Most 2nd, 3rd, n-th generation European immigrants in France are 100% integrated in French society as much as any other ethnic French.

Is Anne Hidalgo genuinely considered French?

[Rouxinol]

Is Anne Hidalgo genuinely considered French?

Yes. As is Manuel Valls. And so many other Spanish-born and descended French. France is culturally close enough to the other European Latin nations, no wonder why it was a preferred destination for them rather than, say, Britain.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, returning to topic: I still maintain that non-whites in France tend to be poorer and more excluded from public life than in the UK.

[Peterski]

AFAIK the majority of Poles in France are not a recent Diaspora, they came there already in the 1700s, 1800s and early 1900s.

This is different in the UK where most Poles are recent immigrants (after 2004) and only a small number date back to 1940s.

[Tooting Carmen]

AFAIK the majority of Poles in France are not a recent Diaspora, they came there already in the 1700s, 1800s and early 1900s.

This is different in the UK where most Poles are recent immigrants (after 2004) and only a small number date back to 1940s.

France is the melting pot of Europe.