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Thread: How come ethnic minorities/immigrants in France are much more uniformly poor than in the UK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    France is the melting pot of Europe.
    Not really, at least not anymore than Germany or Britain. Germany is actually more of a melting pot because it is in the middle of the continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Not really, at least not anymore than Germany or Britain. Germany is actually more of a melting pot because it is in the middle of the continent.
    The overwhelmingly majority of Whites in Germany are actual ethnic Germans, even though there are quite a lot of Southern and Eastern Europeans there. By contrast, the French Government itself has said that up to 40% of people in France have at least one foreign grandparent, with many of them being Polish, Portuguese, Spanish or Italian in particular. Just compare the various sports teams from France and Germany - the former is far more multi-ethnic than the latter, even taking into account the massive Middle Eastern populations now present in the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    By contrast, the French Government itself has said that up to 40% of people in France have at least one foreign grandparent, with many of them being Polish, Portuguese, Spanish or Italian in particular.
    A Southern French person with 1 Spanish grandparent will still be genetically the same as an average South French with all 4 South French grandparents, because there is in fact very little genetic difference between South France and Spain.

    By contrast a West German person with 1 Eastern German grandparent with migration background (for example a German from Sudetenland), will be visibly eastern-shifted compared to someone with all 4 Western German grandparents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    A Southern French person with 1 Spanish grandparent will still be genetically the same as an average South French with all 4 South French grandparents, because there is in fact very little genetic difference between South France and Spain.

    By contrast a West German person with 1 Eastern German grandparent with migration background (for example a German from Sudetenland), will be visibly eastern-shifted compared to someone with all 4 Western German grandparents.
    Maybe so, but culturally and linguistically there is a rather bigger difference between Southern France and Spain than between any two regions in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    but culturally and linguistically there is a rather bigger difference between Southern France and Spain than between any two regions in Germany.
    Why? They all speak Romance, both in Southern France and in Spain. E.g. Occitan languages are spoken both in North-East Spain and South-West France.

    In Germany they speak Standard German now, but go back to 1800 AD and people in two regions of Germany could not understand each other's dialects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Anyway, returning to topic: I still maintain that non-whites in France tend to be poorer and more excluded from public life than in the UK.
    No idea how it is in UK so I can't help a lot.

    But immigrants in France excluded themself from public life.
    France provide all the opportunities.

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    Most likely because this is what they decide to do with the opportunity they've been given


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    Due to geography, I suppose. Not to mention that Britain has more stricter immigration policies than France, I think.

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