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    I think the Sufism is a good side of Islam. This is the peaceful, un-politic and spiritual Islam. So, the Sufi Islam don't need the Reformation, actually slighty similar to Protestant Christianity.

    The most native European Muslims follow the Sufism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungarian_master View Post
    I think the Sufism is a good side of Islam. This is the peaceful, un-politic and spiritual Islam. So, the Sufi Islam don't need the Reformation, actually slighty similar to Protestant Christianity.

    The most native European Muslims follow the Sufism.
    The Sufis have their mysticism; which I appreciate; but the Chechens are Sufis, and they fought jihad against the Russians.
    Fighting is prescribed for them as well. There is no sect or school of jurisprudence in Islam that does not teach the necessity to wage warfare against non-believers.

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    I don't think Muslims would accept any reform of their religion that involves editing the Qur'an. The Qur'an is considered to be the divine speech of Allah.

    But what about the hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim? Muslims follow these books because the Qur'an calls Muhammad the perfect person (perfect example of human conduct), therefore anything that Muhammad said and did is normative for Islamic law. Muslims need to reconceptualize the role of the last prophet Muhammad. Even according to Islam, the Muslim prophet Jesus is going to return at the end of days (but not Muhammad). The Qur'an calls Jesus the word of God (but not Muhammad). Jesus has more powers than Muhammad.
    Last edited by Petros Agapetos; 01-24-2019 at 08:35 AM.

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    Only I can reform it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    Only I can reform it.
    How would you go about doing that? I am curious. And how can we get Muslims to follow the newly reformed version of Islam as opposed to Islam as it has been classically formulated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    The Sufis have their mysticism; which I appreciate; but the Chechens are Sufis, and they fought jihad against the Russians.
    Fighting is prescribed for them as well. There is no sect or school of jurisprudence in Islam that does not teach the necessity to wage warfare against non-believers.
    I’m not Muslim nor do I support Islam . But chechens used Islam as a political tool for separatist agenda. Since the biggest difference between them and Russian occupier is that they they are Muslim and christian Russia is Occupying chechen muslim land,this attract Muslims from middle east from Afghanistan,Saudi Arabia,yemen,Syria... In fact this Jihad was pushed by wahhabi Saudi propaganda,funding and arming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    One can argue, in a way, Islam has already been reformed...

    Have you heard of Wahabism?

    Named after "Abdul Wahab", an Islamic reformer who thought that the Ottomans had strayed from true Islam by accepting non-Islamic innovations.
    So, he stripped Islam of outer influences, and produced an even more violent and supremacist stream of Islam. Because reform is often thought to be going back to the original sources and roots of the religion, any reform would be futile in my view, because the Qur'an alone is an inherently violent and supremacist book, not even counting any of the hadiths?

    The Question is "Is any reform Islamically correct"?
    Wahabism is not a reform, but a puritan reactionary movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    I don't think Muslims would accept any reform of their religion that involves editing the Qur'an. The Qur'an is considered to be the divine speech of Allah.
    You answered yourself.

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    It can definitely most muslim just need to become more non practicing honestly i think that in next 50 year at least muslim in Muslim majority countries and non muslim country would become more modern and non practicing muslim.

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    What reasons do you have for thinking Islam cannot be reformed? List them.

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