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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Because their recent origins and ancestries are very clearly different; moreover, Rice herself has talked about how her experiences as an African-American growing up in the Deep South have formed her politics and outlook on life.
    Rice did not commence consciousness in Africa; likewise, Clinton did not debut her cognition in Britain..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    Rice did not commence consciousness in Africa; likewise, Clinton did not debut her cognition in Britain..
    Rice's experiences as a Black woman in Alabama have in no small measure shaped who she is today and why she chose her particular path in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    It is physiology + language + culture.
    But one of those things is radically different from the other two..

    Like grouping blue, green and windy together.. the first two are colors, the third an atmospheric phenomenon..
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    If the US were still over 90% white like it used to be, the argument could probably be made for "American" becoming a new ethnic group instead of just a nationality. A combination of nationalities/cultures/phenotypes from all over Europe, all speaking English, and slowly developing our own customs and identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Rice's experiences as a Black woman in Alabama have in no small measure shaped who she is today and why she chose her particular path in politics.
    Fair point.. but her experiences as a Black women were experienced in an enclosed domain: The USA.. the same domain in which Clinton has had experiences as a White woman..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westbrook View Post
    If the US were still over 90% white like it used to be, the argument could probably be made for "American" becoming a new ethnic group instead of just a nationality. A combination of nationalities/cultures/phenotypes from all over Europe and all speaking English.
    It never was actually. Even before 1965, African-Americans were always around 10-15% of the population.

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    Maybe not everyone in that country can be considered one ethnicity, but those with a similar background can.

    NOT ethnic groups: Americans, Uruguayans, Canadians, Ecuadorians, Colombians, Argentines, Brazilians, Canadians, etc

    Ethnic groups: White Americans, Black Americans, White Ecuadorians, Black Colombians, English Canadians, French Canadians, White Argentines, Mestizo Argentines, White Brazilians, Black Brazilians, etc.




    Or maybe the predominant racial group could be "ethnic [nationality]" and then the minorities can be "racial suffix + nationality".

    For example, White Americans could be "ethnic American" & Black Americans could be "ethnic Black American", White Uruguayans could be "ethnic Uruguayan" & Black Uruguayans could be "ethnic Black Uruguayan", Black Jamaicans could be "ethnic Jamaican" & White Jamaicans could be "ethnic White Jamaican", and so on.

    Though some people may also argue that there is no "ethnic American" and White Americans from southern USA are "ethnic White Southern American".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Southerners

    On the same logic, one may argue there is no "ethnic Argentine" but "ethnic River Platish/Rioplatanese" and "ethnic Patagonian".




    It's hard to say really. But going with what you originally said, its possible for multiracial ethnic groups to exist, for example the Transoxiana states (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan) and Turkmenistan where some look Mongoloid and others Caucasoid. But the difference here in the New World is that the cultural differences and personal sense of identity between the different racial groups are too large for them to be considered one ethnicity.

    So as I was saying earlier, entire nationalities can't be equated to ethnic groups but "race + nationality" could maybe work, but it's not a concept totally without flaws either.
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    I don't care as long educated people know about a country differences traditions and many things instead of assuming things.

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    Or put it this way:

    How does physiology facilitate/sponsor/inform a Serb observing his Slava, an American celebrating Thanksgiving, or an Indian taking part in Diwali?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    Or put it this way:

    How does physiology facilitate/sponsor/inform a Serb observing his Slava, an American celebrating Thanksgiving, or an Indian taking part in Diwali?
    It doesn't, but the point is that (within a range) both Serbs and Indians happen to share physiological traits that makes them identifiable and identify with each other.

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