Let's debate on the double nationality

[Phenix]

Yes indeed, minors should retain the nationality of their parents up to majority, then have the right to exercise a definite change of nationality, seeing their previous nationality revoked. As for remaining stateless, that would fall under international law and be still subject to a number of privileges and responsibilities.





Thanks friend, I know what to expect here, but I would like all the members normally interrested into similar topics to at least participate through the poll.

Interesting that the sole person that shares my idea about this topic is a French, you guys are not much compared to other nationalities in TA, I got a bit tired to defend you in front of others, maybe you can take the torch now on.
If you may, participate in my thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...t-social-model

[hanza]

Interesting that the sole person that shares my idea about this topic is a French, you guys are not much compared to other nationalities in TA, I got a bit tired to defend you in front of others, maybe you can take the torch now on.
If you may, participate in my thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...t-social-model

Well, I am simply trying to deal with what I got. The wind is seemingly turning toward radicalisation, but that radicalisation doesn't necessarily have to reach its full extent, there are more balanced options.

Currently, the French nationality does ignore totally racial parameters (as most other modern nationalities do, I believe), but it doesn't ignore the state of your socioprofessional integration : you have to know the French language good enough, to have worked for a given time, to have an apartment, to have not any criminal record, and such ; but it almost totally ignores the state of your cultural integration: you are formally required to know certain moments of the French history, but that is not what weighs the most in the balance for the acquisition of the nationality. That is it's main weakness, the fact that someone who is making good money is more qualified for the nationality than someone who is willing to adapt his way of life for it.

I could literally be a bum, a worm crawling on the streets, with a deeper understanding of the native culture and its history than, let's say, a Saudi making hotels all over the place, who doesn't even know five words of the local language...yet he will be more worthy than me of the right to get that nationality. Maybe I could even lose my nationality, and get dumped in a pile of trash, but that will depend on the level of radicalisation we reached.

BTW, it is indeed amazing how we had basically started the same subject in our respective threads, mine being more technical and yours more theoretical.

Salut !

[coolfrenchguy]

It's interesting, but people here prefer to troll about who is white.
I am supporter of the single chosen nationality, as I consider dual affiliation a bigamy and institutionalized treason, at the same time humans should be totally free of chosen what land they want to live in and what rules must orchestrate their life as long as they son't derange others.

mais non je suis désolé par moment je peux etre compatissant,concernant la double et le sujet qui est abordé ,le fameux "la france tu l'aime ou tu la quitte" de nicolas le pen ou de marine sarkozy,qu'est ce que j'en pense soit on est maso et on retourne vers le pays qui te fait sentir mal dans ta peau soit tu retourne dans ton pays d'origine ou la aussi tu te feras sentir comme un etranger,serieux dilemme.pour tout vous dire au passage puisque la est le sujet voila comme je ressent l'immigration des pays du maghreb et d'afrique,comme une perpetuelle agression journaliere,que des gens viennent ici me donner de leçons de morale je peux plus si t'est pas content casse toi,c'est toujourd drole comme les immigrés viennent toujours jouer les pleureuses alors qu'ils ne font rien pour que cela change dans leurs pays d'origine,par contre si tu as des valeurs de la dignitée et que tu respecte ton hote et que tu fais pas chier bon je peux te tolerer,mais ça ç'est une minoritée,et encore je parle meme pas de religion sinon y'en a pour des heures,
at the same time humans should be totally free of chosen what land they want to live in and what rules must orchestrate their life as long as they don't derange others
d"accord mais de nombreux européens se sentent etrangers dans leurs propres pays ou espace a cause d'une plethore de critéres,c'est un sentiment assez repandu parmis les electeurs de base de MLP,vous savez un ras le bol,une saturation,la plupart ne sont pas des gens mechants ce ne sont pas d'immondes nazis,ça s'appele le populisme c'est tres beaufs par moment c'est pourquoi j'ai vraiment pris mes distances avec ses gens la,ne t'inquiete pas je donnerais mon avis a ta question
je te renvois ta question at the same time humans should be totally free ,d'accepter avec qui ils veulent vivre en communautée d'ou ma signature
"le droit des peuples de disposer d'eux meme",vois tu on ne se connait pas a tes yeux je peux peut etre paraitre un immonde raciste,alors que pas du tout en fait j'essaye de proposer un autre angle, le probleme c'est que tout est fait pour creer la confusion dans les esprits,la deliquescence des pays du quart monde a tres forte natalitée est une vrai catastrophe,la ou il faudrait appliquer le principe de triple greve pour sauver la planete et l'humanitée
1.greve de la publicitée
2 greve de la consommation
3 greve de la natalitée
et bien nous faisons le contraire,cela est du essentiellement a des blocages moraux et culturels,j'y rajoute l'inversion des flux migratoires nord sud,l'aide a une vrai prise en main des populations locales de leurs territoires et de leurs resources par le biais du retrait pur et simple des grands capitalistes des lieux et places,avec formation et transmission de savoirs a l'appuis pour une réel autonomie et non plus comme un petit enfant qui cherche auprés de sa mére
bon ça ç'est les grandes lignes,c'est infaisable car ils ne faut pas oublier toutes les tierces parties(religieuses,institutionelles,politiques,ec onomiques) qui on tout interet a ce que le systeme reste en place,comme disait georges besse à jacques mesrines toi tu part en toupie moi je veux que le systeme reste en place pour pouvoir le ranconner.
bon pour finir soit tu te sent par capilarité apartenir a une langue une culture dans les grandes lignes ou pas ,je ne parlerais meme pas d'heritage puisque a priori ce n'est pas le tiens soit tu retourne vers les racines de tes parents ou tu seras vu comme une sorte de "pas de chez nous" bon je traduirait et corrigerais plus tard

[Grace O'Malley]

I've got double nationality or dual citizenship. I think it is a wonderful asset and I don't see any problems with people having dual nationality especially if both countries have good relationships with each other. I'll pass on dual nationality to any grandchildren I might have in the future.

[hanza]

I've got double nationality or dual citizenship. I think it is a wonderful asset and I don't see any problems with people having dual nationality especially if both countries have good relationships with each other. I'll pass on dual nationality to any grandchildren I might have in the future.

The double nationality is becoming a problem because it allows too much social and economical versatility to people in a time of increasing radicalisation and nationalisation of social and economical interests.

[hanza]

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Pense-tu que des Immigrés Assimilés puissent être un jour considérés comme des Français de Souche ?

Peuvent-ils espérer être traités en tant qu'égaux à condition qu'ils aient abandonnés tout ou presque de ce qui se rapporte à leurs origines nationales (dont la suppression de leurs nationalité d'origine) ?

Par conséquent, la nationalité française pourra-t-elle toujours s'octroyer à des étrangers dans le futur ?

[TheMaestro]

Double nationality is fine, if you have connections to both countries.

[hanza]

Double nationality is fine, if you have connections to both countries.

It might be fine for the moment, but what if you are one day forced to choose between your two nationalities because the law of one or both those countries says so ?

[TheMaestro]

It might be fine for the moment, but what if you are one day forced to choose between your two nationalities because the law of one or both those countries says so ?

I would just choose the passport that has stronger ratings. I would even choose Japanese if I could travel all around the world without VISA´s, you know why? Because at the end of the day you know what you are and you don't need a paper to tell you.

[hanza]

I would just choose the passport that has stronger ratings. I would even choose Japanese if I could travel all around the world without VISA´s, you know why? Because at the end of the day you know what you are and you don't need a paper to tell you.

Yeah that would be smart, except if you were Russian



It would be sad if there was a law restricting your movements in the country you really feel affiliated to, because you decided to take a different nationality.

And no, nationality is not merely a paper symbolising your ethnic or multi-ethnic background but, before all, a paper representing your status in a given country ; it opens you a variety of services which would be otherwise restricted.