Things SJWs got right

[Aldaris]

I’m aware I am playing devil’s advocate here, but let me cut to the chase. There is one thing I really like about SJWs. They seem to intuitively understand the concept of respect and social status very well, which isn’t a common thing according to my experience. What are they bad at is conveying their ideas, as they lack terminology to even clearly express them to themselves. See, I believe that when they are speaking about ‘oppression’ and ‘privilege’, they do not actually speak about some practical benefits, which being part of certain social group provides, at least not for the most part. What they really mean, is that certain members of certain social groups are receiving less respect than members of other groups on a visceral level by individual members of the said other groups. I actually think that most SJWs are not even fully aware themselves, that this is what they, on a subconscious level, actually mean. Important thing to realize is that it is not always easy to understand and interpret your feelings properly and as such, if you try to comprehend them and put them into words, you are prone to huge misinterpretations. Now, assuming they are actually aware, I realize this is not everything they believe, they have concepts such as ‘systemic oppression’, which I believe is nonsense, but that is not important. In the former point, I think they are mostly right. What makes them different from other people (who would likely say something in the matter of ‘What is this nonsense? Nobody is oppressing them, nor anyone says they are somehow not equal’) is awareness of this very abstract and vague notion of respect on the most elementary human level (this is the most important part of the my notion of dignity, but reducing dignity to just that would be an enormous oversimplifacion). I don’t think it is an exaggeration to state that people do receive a different amount of respect on this elementary, visceral level based on their ascribed status, such as ethnicity for example. Finally, let us consider some implications of this. I’ve heard many times, that SJW views are actually insulting to social groups they regard as ‘underprivileged’, as taking their side and believing they are not fully able to solve their problems is interpreted as a belief of incompetence on the side of the said social groups. I believe this may not actually be the case, as SJWs may, either subconsciously or consciously, believe that the visceral respect is a necessary component of being taken seriously in the first place. And they’d be right.

[Borealis]

I realized the same thing as well. They have some correct ideas but they are too dumb to even properly express them.

[Aldaris]

I realized the same thing as well. They have some correct ideas but they are too dumb to even properly express them.

Essentially, yes. But we still lack the crucial terminology and theory. I had to develop the whole new definitions of certain terms to help the case and I don’t think it is a complete failure, but my descriptions still do not align perfectly with my feelings. I will gradually improve them as soon as I get new ideas though. There were preexisting definitions of dignity and respect, but I didn’t quite like them, as they have tied together multiple concepts, which are unrelated in my view.

[de Burgh II]

I can understand your point about their underlying emphasis on respect and stress on egalitarianism, but they are very misguided and naive in their formalities. Even so, their arguments tend to be terribly one sided, infantile and linear/predictable. They lack logical cohesion in their arguments, are overwhelmingly emotional and just parrot politically correct terms to shut anyone down when they can't refute a logical claim in reiteration to their question.

SJW's whom I've came across have been intellectually stunted, emotionally unstable, inflated ego and are stuck in a mentality akin to a five year old child who doesn't get what they want.

This is optimal human behavior who have a predilection towards extremism and confirmation bias in their agendas.

[Smaug]

I thought they always got left.

[Aldaris]

I can understand your point about their underlying emphasis on respect and stress on egalitarianism, but they are very misguided and naive in their formalities. Even so, their arguments tend to be terribly one sided, infantile and linear/predictable. They lack logical cohesion in their arguments, are overwhelmingly emotional and just parrot politically correct terms to shut anyone down when they can't refute a logical claim in reiteration to their question.

SJW's whom I've came across have been intellectually stunted, emotionally unstable, inflated ego and are stuck in a mentality akin to a five year old child who doesn't get what they want.

This is optimal human behavior who have a predilection towards extremism and confirmation bias in their agendas.

Yes, their argumentation skills are generally horrible. As I've shown, their positions are not entirely nonsensical, but due to their attitude and the incapability to avoid flaws in reasoning while defending their points and responding to criticism of them, nobody takes them seriously. Because of that, they're not really helping any cause they are trying to promote, on the contrary - if anything, people are getting annoyed by them.

[Aldaris]

As an excuse for bumping my thread, does anyone in here think that when SJWs are labeled as 'self-haters', they actually suffer from some kind of genuine inferiority complex? Giving solid evidence for this claim would totally undermine my original point. My view is that when they are openly hostile towards majority groups, they are expressing superiority complex veiled as compassion for the 'less fortunate'.

[PaleoEuropean]

SJW's and PC are two different things. Politically correct people try to go by order and whats familiar. SJW's look to all the fringes for answers so they never have any substance; just anger. SJW's don't care about white guilt, inferiority; it's like Punk Rock, its a trend, a place to be angry and fit in somewhere. PC are the genuine people, who feel not inferior, but they feel that their perceived superiority is by descent not by merit.

[War Chef]

Yes. One thing I always agreed with them is that there is no social equality. Some are born more "easy mode" through life, for others it's an uphill battle. However I think that SJW's are dangerous in that some of the early communists had the same style of thinking, and we all know what resulted.

So yes, there is a hierarchy and life's not fair, you're dealt with the cards you're dealt and you have to play your best hand.

I personally believe the only way to rationalize inequality and privilege is some concept of karma - you're punished/rewarded for merit in the past, which causes an unpleasant or pleasant rebirth. Otherwise there's no way to rationalize it other than life is just absolutely brutal and unfair.

One thing I dislike about SJW's is that pitying someone or pitying a group is actually an insult to that person/group. It's like "awwhhh how pathetic you poor thing".... What if said person(s) didn't ask for your sympathy? I certainly don't want to be viewed in that light.

[Dorian]

One thing I dislike about SJW's is that pitying someone or pitying a group is actually an insult to that person/group. It's like "awwhhh how pathetic you poor thing".... What if said person(s) didn't ask for your sympathy? I certainly don't want to be viewed in that light.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_complex