North Sea Slavs

[Peterski]

The greatest extent of the Obodrite realm under Drasco, years 804-810, according to German Wikipedia:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abodriten

Drasco: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrasco_(Obotrite_prince)

Here is the map ("Größte Ausdehnung des abodritischen Herrschaftsgebietes unter Drasco 804–810"):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Abodriten2.png



See also: http://slavicchronicles.com/history/...an-chronicles/



Drasco listed among North-West Slavic rulers: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...years-631-1168

Names of Polabian Slavic rulers, years 631-1168

1. Rulers of Sorbs:

- Dervan (Latin: Dervanus)
- Siemil (Latin: Semela)
- Miliduch (Latin: Miliduoch)
- Tenglo (Latin: Tunglo)
- Slavibor
- Ciemysł/Czimislav (Latin: Cimusclo/Cimusclus)
- Cestibor (Latin: Zistiboro)
- Dragomir (Latin: Dragomirus)
- Priznolawus (Latin: Priznolawo)
- Kuchawic (Latin: Cuchavico)

2. Rulers of Veleti/Lutici:

- Drogovit (Latin: Dragawit/Tragwito)
- Liub (Latin: Liubi), rex Wiltzorum
- Milogost (Latin: Milegastum)
- Calodrog (Latin: Cealadragus)
- Boleslav (Arabic: Basqlabic)
- Tegomir (Latin: Tugumir)
- Dobromir (Latin: Dobremirus)
- Pribislav (Latin: Prebizlavus)
- Ludolf, son of Tegomir
- Bolilut (Latin: Bolibut/Boliuut)
- Meinfrid (Latin: Meynfridus)
- Wirykind (Latin: Wirikindus)
- Pribislav-Henry (Latin: Heinricus-Prizzlaviz)
- Jaxa of Köpenick

3. Rulers of Obodrites:

- Witzlaus / Witzan
- Drozko (Thrasco/Drasco/Drago) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrasco_(Obotrite_prince)
- Godelaib (Boguslav/Gudleifr)
- Slavomir (Latin: Sclaomir)
- Chedrog (Latin: Ceadragus)
- Gostomysl (Latin: Goztomuizli)
- Dobromysl (Latin: Tabomuizli)

- Nakon (Latin: Nacon/Nacconis)
- Stoigniew (Latin: Stoinnegui/Stoinef)
- Mstivoy (Latin: Mistiwoi)
- Mstidrog
- Mstislav (Latin: Mistizlavus)
- Pribigniev
- Anatrog/Unidrog, Gniev (Gneus)
- Ratibor
- Gottschalk (Latin: Godeschalcus)
- Budivoy (Latin: Buthue)
- Henry Gottschalkowitz
- Voldemar (Latin: Woldemarus)
- Mstivoy (Latin: Mistue)
- Knut
- Svetopelk
- Pribislav (Latin: Pribizlaum)

- Zelibor (Latin: Selibur)
- Sederyk (Latin: Sedericus)
- Krut (Latin: Cruto), son of Gryn (Grinus)
- Race
- Rochel

- Niklot (Latin: Niclotum)
- Wartislav/Vartislav (Latin: Werizlavus)
- Pribislav (Latin: Pribizlavus)

4. Other Polabian Slavic:

- Wrytsleof
- Wyrtgeorn
- Dumar (Latin: Dumarus)
- Svietopelk (Latin: Zwentubald)
- Cieslav (Latin: Tetislav/Tetiszlaus)
- Jaromir

TIMELINE OF EVENTS:

⦁ 772 - Charlemagne invades Southern Saxons
⦁ 777 - Frankish conquest of Southern Saxons is completed
⦁ 780 - first Frankish contact with the Slavic Obodrites at the Middle Elbe
⦁ 782 - Slavic Sorbs raid and plunder Thuringia and Frankish-controlled Saxony
⦁ 782 - Saxon uprising against Franks, led by duke Widukind. Obodrites side with Franks
⦁ 785 - uprising squashed, Widukind surrenders and agrees to convert to Christianity in Attigny
⦁ 789 - Wieczan (Witzan) becomes the supreme duke (rex / princeps) of Obodrites
⦁ 789 - Obodrites mentioned as "old good allies" of Charlemagne (against Saxons)
⦁ 789 - Wieczan asks Charlemagne for assistance against his troublesome eastern neighbours, the Holy Union of the Veleti, under supreme duke Drogowit.
⦁ 789 - Charlemagne, allied with Frisians, Sorbs and Obodrites (under duke Wieczan), invades Veleti. Frankish army crosses the Elbe near modern Wolmirstadt. Allied forces besiege Brenna, the main stronghold of Veleti duke Drogowit. Seeing that resistance is pointless, Drogowit negotiates peace. Veleti pay a single tribute to Charlemagne. Charlemagne satisfied with tribute returns back to Francia.
⦁ 795 - Obodrite duke Wieczan (dux Witzan), ally of Franks against Nordalbingians (northernmost Saxon tribe, who remain independent from Frankish rule).
⦁ 795 - at the Elbe near Bardowick Nordalbingians ambush Obodrites, killing Wieczan
⦁ ca. 796 - Drozko (Drasco) elected new rex / princeps of the Obodrites. Drozko has a son named Czedrog (Chedrog). Drozko continues pro-Frankish policies of Wieczan and Charlemagne is his ally. Danes, Northern Saxons and Veleti are his enemies.
⦁ 795-798 - in revenge for Wieczan's death, Charlemagne raids Nordalbingians and carries out first forcible population transfers and deportations of Saxons.
⦁ 798 - battle of Swentana (Bornhöved) between Obodrites under Drozko and Nordalbingians (at the same time Charlemagne's army is near Minden, raiding Ostphalia). Obodrites win. About 3 - 4 thousand Saxons perish.
⦁ 799 - son of Charlemagne mediates in conflict between Obodrites and Veleti
⦁ 804 - conquest of Nordalbingians by Franks (with Veleti help) is completed, forcible deportation of over 10,000 Nordalbingian men, with families, to Gaul.
⦁ 804 - in Hollenstedt at the Elbe Drozko is crowned King by Charlemagne, he is also awarded Nordalbingia, which becomes part of the Slavic Obodrite realm (sources: Ann. Regni Francorum a 804, Chron. Moiss a 804). Archaeological evidence of Slavic settlements and Slavic pottery in Nordalbingia discovered in Hamburg and in Domplatz, dated to 8th-9th centuries (R. Schindler connects these with Drozko's reign).
⦁ ca. 805 - Charlemagne fortifies Frankish-Slavic border (limes sorabicus and limes saxonicus) and establishes permanent military posts along it. He introduces capitulare duplex in 805 - a kind of embargo for export of weaponry to Slavic lands (including even his allied Obodrites). Several places are chosen for trade with Slavs.
⦁ 805 - Franks invade the Sorbian-Lusatian tribe of the Glomaci
⦁ 805 - duke Lecho of the Bohemians (Czechs) dies in battle against Charlemagne
⦁ 806 - Sorbs (Siurbs) agree to pay tribute to Charlemgne after their duke - Miliduch (Milidouch / Milito) - is killed in a battle against Franks near modern Halle.
⦁ 808 - Drozko, king of the Obodrites. Godelaib, one of their minor dukes.
⦁ 808 - the Danes under duke Godfred (his realm is in Jutland), allied with the Veleti, invade the Obodrite realm (Jutland had previously become a refuge for Saxon refugees during Frankish-Obodrite invasions of Nordalbingia). Danes and Veleti manage to capture several Obodrite strongholds in the process.
⦁ 808 - at least two out of member-tribes of the Obodrite realm, Smolincy and Linianie, betray and unite with Danish-Veleti army. King Drozko is forced to abandon his realm and escapes to Francia. Godelaib is captured and executed. Godfred annexes Nordalbingia, two other Obodrite provinces - Obodrsko and Wagria - pay tribute.
⦁ 808-809 - Veleti wage offensive war against Obodrites and then against Franks
⦁ 808 - Charlemagne sends his son to crush the Veleti and Obodrite traitors, but he is defeated and has to retreat. Godfred proposes peace to Charlemagne, negotiations take place in Bandenflut at the Stör River, but they fail and war continues on.
⦁ 809 - Drozko returns from exile to his country. He signs truce with Danes in exchange for giving them one of his sons (maybe Chedrog) as a hostage. He allies with Saxons against Veleti and these Obodrite tribes which seceded from his realm. Allied Obodrite loyalists and Saxons besiege a stronghold of Smolincy at Connoburg. The stronghold is captured and destroyed, power over rebellious tribes is restored.
⦁ 809 - Godfred violates the truce and invades Obodrites, he demolishes Slavic coastal town at Rerik (near modern Wismar), and deports local merchants to Haithabu (Hedeby), Denmark. Drozko is killed by Danish assassins at Rerik.
⦁ 810 - after the death of Drozko Charlemagne deprives the Obodrites of Nordalbingia (land of Northern Saxons) and incorporates it to his Empire. The land is depopulated due to war, disease and deportations, so he brings in new settlers from entire Empire. Charlemagne establishes three new castles to strengthen the defence of his borders: first is at Eselfeld at the Stör River, second is at Hamburg, third is at Hochbucki near Lenzen at the Elbe.
⦁ 810 - Veleti attack the Frankish Empire and destroy their new castle at Hochbucki
⦁ 812 - Franks and Obodrites (under their new grand duke, Slavomir) in retaliation invade Veleti territories and manage to force them to pay a tribute.
⦁ 813 - coronation of Louis I by Charlemagne in Aachen.
⦁ 814 - death of Charlemagne, Louis I takes power in the Empire.

[Dick]

interesting. Draško is a serb name

[Ülev]

Срби су најстарији народ у Земљи, easy as that

[Peterski]

interesting. Draško is a serb name

How much of "North Sea" admixture do you score on Eurogenes K15 ???

[Dick]

Срби су најстарији народ у Земљи, easy as that

funny .

anyway, weren't they Sorbs? King Samo was supposedly a slavicized Frank too.

[Ülev]

not funny, just facts
https://youtu.be/i587r0aZsmo
https://youtu.be/f1or2-YA3Z8

[Peterski]

anyway, weren't they Sorbs?

Nope, Sorbs (Lusatians) were to the south of that area:





http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/zvwas/zvwas_8.htm

[Carpatz]

Thrasco

And they said Bosniensis was bonkers for saying that Thracians spread I2a-Din northwards. Rest in peace, Doctor.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Right from them, name Wilzen. I think it's self-name of Lyutichi, and the name is Baltic.

[Ülev]

unban Bosniensis!