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    Quote Originally Posted by frankhammer View Post
    The future would have caught them out sooner or later and would they be better off or just another state of poor Polynesians living in poverty relying on the world for help?
    Nothing is free in this world and somebody would exploited them.
    Like it or not, colonisation has given them opportunities in the modern era and many are making the best of that.

    I don't believe the Aborigines could have ever kept their lands.
    It was always going to end badly for them.
    In the final analysis, the future is of prime importance. Maori and Aboriginal adults owe it to their children, to start making some changes, to start building some momentum.

    Re: NZ, specifically, the seabed and foreshore, as a preoccupation, for instance, ought to be eclipsed tenfold, in the Maori psyche - in terms of preoccupations - by concerns relating to Maori child abuse rates, for example..
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    Mischievously, a fast death is preferable than an elongated sufferance.



    Nah, they were Slavic, and from there, the Arab-Serbo-Russian alliance began.

    PS: Nilotid, West Sudanid, Bantu, Latin, Germanic, Slavic, Caucasian, and even East Asian women were exposed in sex slaves market in Abbasid and Ottoman era, even Arab women from religious minorities were sold to other Muslim countries were they were praised.
    Even today Middle Easterners cope with that Siberians, Central Asians, Tatars, and Ukrainians are Slavic. I doubt that they were able to tell the difference 500 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    What I disagree with is the notion that the reason Aboriginals conduct themselves the way they do, socio-economically, is due to their race, or some inherent predisposition towards criminality or drunkenness..

    They, like the Maoris, were traumatized (take as an example, the Stolen Generations..). Effect a stolen generation in Luxembourg, and you will generate similarities).
    Compare to kids in Luxembourg that get sent to boarding school. It's the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    I agree, with all my political being..

    The key to their recovering themselves doesn't lay in any \external initiative (politics, for instance). Same thing applies to the idea of Maori recovering themselves..

    What I disagree with is the notion that the reason Aboriginals conduct themselves the way they do, socio-economically, is due to their race, or some inherent predisposition towards criminality or drunkenness..

    They, like the Maoris, were traumatized (take as an example, the Stolen Generations..). Effect a stolen generation in Luxembourg, and you will generate similarities).

    Or take the example of a veteran with PTSD suffering from flashbacks. That hypothetical soldier isn't experiencing flashbacks on account of race or phenotype or pigmentation.. he is experiencing flashbacks on account of soldiering..
    Their criminality and drunkenness is very much to do with their race. This is why it was so retarded to try to integrate them fully into white society when they never capable. Criminality is positively correlated with low IQ, and the average Aboriginal is very low IQ indeed. What other race needs informational videos to not sleep on the road or sniff petrol?



    Every native people in the world unexposed to Alcohol or agriculture has suffered from alcohol abuse, it's the exact same reason for Amerindians. Putting it down to 'historical trauma' is a load of unfalsifiable bs. Northern Europeans suffer from alcohol abuse more than Southern Europeans for the very same reason, they are of higher WHG/Steppe ancestry, which are people's that were less adapted to alcohol than the Farmers/Middle Easterners that make up most of the Southern Euro ancestry.

    Whatever trauma the Abo's may have comes from the astronomical rates of child abuse that most of them experience, but I guess Colonialism is forcing them to do that to their kids as well. What they did and still do to themselves away from white supervision was far more barbaric than anything Europeans did to them. The 'Stolen Generation' (which is highly exaggerated and mischaracterised, less than 10k kids taken from their parents across the country between 1880 and 1970) was largely in response to the sickening child abuse that goes on in their communities. And it's not a new thing, read the anthropological reports of Aboriginal tribal practices. Read about penile subincision of infants.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...293-1548915622
    https://thewest.com.au/news/indigeno...-ng-b88563253z
    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...9e8412674734c0
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...e-high/9277170

    "More children are being removed today than they ever were during the Stolen Generations." - For the exact same reasons as they were being removed during the so called Stolen Generations, not some attempt to exterminate their race as brainwashed morons believe. There are more Abo's now than ever.

    Figures reveal the number of indigenous children being forcibly taken from their homes has risen almost 400 per cent in 15 years, prompting Aboriginal Elders to condemn what they are labelling a ‘new Stolen Generation’.

    Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander children represent 4.6 per cent of the Australian population, and a whopping one third are in ‘out of home care’.

    According to the Federal Government’s 1997 Bringing Them Home report, the number of indigenous children removed from their families at the time was 2785.

    Fast forward fifteen years to 2012, where a report by the Federal Government’s Australian Institute of Health and Welfare recorded the instance of removal had risen almost 400 per cent to 13,299.

    “More than 14,000 Aboriginal children are in what they call ‘out of home care’ in any given night in Australia,” said Paddy Gibson, a senior researcher at the University of Technology, Sydney.

    “That is a far greater number of children removed in any year over the Stolen Generations period.”
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    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/benn...inal-violence/
    The Long Bloody History of Aboriginal Violence
    Violence levels are evidenced for thousands of years into pre-history.

    Paleopathologist Stephen Webb in 1995 published his analysis of 4500 individuals’ bones from mainland Australia going back 50,000 years. (Priceless bone collections at the time were being officially handed over to Aboriginal communities for re-burial, which stopped follow-up studies).[15] Webb found highly disproportionate rates of injuries and fractures to women’s skulls, with the injuries suggesting deliberate attack and often attacks from behind, perhaps in domestic squabbles. In the tropics, for example, female head-injury frequency was about 20-33%, versus 6.5-26% for males.

    The most extreme results were on the south coast, from Swanport and Adelaide, with female cranial trauma rates as high as 40-44% — two to four times the rate of male cranial trauma. In desert and south coast areas, 5-6% of female skulls had three separate head injuries, and 11-12% had two injuries.

    Web could not rule out women-on-women attacks but thought them less probable. The high rate of injuries to female heads was the reverse of results from studies of other peoples.[16] His findings, according to anthropologist Peter Sutton, confirm that serious armed assaults were common in Australia over thousands of years prior to conquest. [17]

    From 1788, British and French arrivals were shocked at local misogyny. First Fleeter Watkin Tench noticed a young woman’s head “covered by contusions, and mangled by scars”. She also had a spear wound above the left knee caused by a man who dragged her from her home to rape her. Tench wrote, “They are in all respects treated with savage barbarity; condemned not only to carry the children, but all other burthens, they meet in return for submission only with blows, kicks and every other mark of brutality.”[18]

    He also wrote, “When an Indian [sic] is provoked by a woman, he either spears her, or knocks her down on the spot; on this occasion he always strikes on the head, using indiscriminately a hatchet, a club, or any other weapon, which may chance to be in his hand.”

    Marine Lt. William Collins wrote, “We have seen some of these unfortunate beings with more scars upon their shorn heads, cut in every direction, than could be well distinguished or counted.” [19]

    Governor Phillip’s confidant, Bennelong, in 1790 had taken a woman to Port Jackson to kill her because her relatives were his enemies. He gave her two severe wounds on the head and one on the shoulder, saying this was his rightful vengeance.[20]

    Phillip was appalled that an Eora woman within a few days of delivery had fresh wounds on her head, where her husband had beaten her with wood.

    In 1802 an explorer in the Blue Mountains wrote how, for a trivial reason, an Aboriginal called Gogy “took his club and struck his wife’s head such a blow that she fell to the ground unconscious. After dinner…he got infuriated and again struck his wife on the head with his club, and left her on the ground nearly dying.”[21]

    In 1825 French explorer Louis-Antoine de Bougainville wrote “that young girls are brutally kidnapped from their families, violently dragged to isolated spots and are ravished after being subjected to a good deal of cruelty.”[22] George Robinson in Tasmania said in the 1830s that men courted their women by stabbing them with sharp sticks and cutting them with knives prior to rape. The men bartered their women to brutal sealers for dogs and food; in one case such a woman voluntarily went back to the sealers rather than face further tribal violence.[23]

    Also in the 1830s ex-convict Lingard wrote: “I scarcely ever saw a married woman, but she had got six or seven cuts in her head, given by her husband with a tomahawk, several inches in length and very deep.”[24] Explorer Edward John Eyre, who was very sympathetic towards Aborigines, nevertheless recorded:

    “Women are often sadly ill-treated by their husbands and friends…they are frequently beaten about the head , with waddies, in the most dreadful manner, or speared in the limbs for the most trivial offences…

    “Few women will be found, upon examination, to be free from frightful scars upon the head, or the marks of spear wounds about the body. I have seen a young woman, who, from the number of these marks, appeared to have been almost riddled with spear wounds."[25]


    TRIBAL warfare and paybacks were endemic. In "Journey to Horseshoe Bend", anthropologist T.G.H. Strehlow described a black-on-black massacre in 1875 in the Finke River area of Central Australia, triggered by a perceived sacrilege:

    "The warriors turned their murderous attention to the women and older children and either clubbed or speared them to death. Finally, according to the grim custom of warriors and avengers they broke the limbs of the infants, leaving them to die ‘natural deaths’. The final number of the dead could well have reached the high figure of 80 to 100 men, women and children."[26]

    Revenge killings by the victims’ clan involved more than 60 people, with the two exchanges accounting for about 20% of members of the two clans. (When Pauline Hanson, then member for Oxley, quoted this account in 1996, an Aboriginal woman elder replied, "Mrs Hanson should receive a traditional Urgarapul punishment: having her hands and feet crippled.")[27]

    Escaped convict William Buckley, who lived for three decades with tribes around Port Phillip, recounted constant raids, ambushes, and small battles, typically involving one to three fatalities. He noted the Watouronga of Geelong in night raids ‘destroyed without mercy men, women and children.’[28]

    Historian Geoff Blainey concluded that annual death rates from North-East Arnhem Land and Port Philip, were comparable with countries involved in the two world wars, although Blainey’s estimate could be somewhat on the high side.[29]

    Other black-on-black massacres include accounts from anthropologist Bill Stanner of an entire camp massacre, an Aurukun massacre in the early 20th century, Strehlow’s account of the wiping out of the Plenty River local group of Udebatara in Central Australia, and the killing of a large group of men, women and children near Mt Eba, also in Central Australia.[30]

    Strehlow’s wife Kathleen Strehlow wrote:

    “It would be no exaggeration to say that the system worked as one of sheer terror in the days before the white man came. This terror was instilled from earliest childhood and continued unabated through life until the extremity of old age seemed to guarantee some immunity from the attentions of blood avenger or sorcerer alike for wrongs real or imaginary…children were not exempted from capital punishment for persistent offences against the old tribal code.”[31]

    The Murngin (now Yolngu) in NE Arnhem Land during 1920s practiced a deadly warfare that placed it among the world’s most lethal societies. The then-rate for homicides of 330 per 100,000 (which Jarrett suggests could be grossly under-estimated) was 15 times the 2006-07 "very remote national Indigenous rate" of 22, and 300 times the 2006-7 national non-Indigenous rate. That Murngin rate was worse than in Mexico’s present Ciudad Juarez drug capital (300 homicides per 100,000), and more than three times worse than the worst national current rate (Honduras).

    Jarrett says that surely no aspect of Murngin culture, such as polygamy, was worth the lives of the many young men sacrificed in war to maintain it. [32]

    Yolngu punishments are deemed valid for wives if they leave scars but do not kill. In one 2008 case, a husband stabbed his wife multiple times with a steak knife, which was within traditional bounds. The husband got a short sentence and this minor punishment was quashed by Southwood J.[33]
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/benn...past-part-iii/
    A Blacked Out Past
    One hears much of Aboriginal suffering from those who would pin the blame on "invaders". Politically expedient as those excuses may be, they omit a richly documented record of appalling sexual violence and mutilation

    Playwright and author Louis Nowra concurs: “Despite local variations, there is a consistent pattern of Aboriginal men’s treatment of women that was harsh, sexually aggressive (gang-rape for instance) and , in our term, misogynist. Given its pervasive nature across the whole of Australia, we can say that it was ancient and long-lasting.”[4]

    Nowra quotes Walter Roth (1861-1933) a doctor, anthropologist and Chief Protector of Aborigines in Queensland. Roth described at the turn of the previous century how, when a Pitta-Pitta girl first showed signs of puberty, "several men would drag her into the bush and forcibly enlarge the vaginal orifice by tearing it downwards with the first three fingers wound round and round with opossum string. Other men come forward from all directions, and the struggling victim has to submit in rotation to promiscuous coition with all the ‘bucks’ present.”[5]

    Even worse was his description of practices around Glenormiston:

    "A group of men, with cooperation from old women, ambush a young woman, and pin her so an old man can slit up the shrieking girl’s perineum with a stone knife, followed by sweeping three fingers round the inside of the virginal orifice. “She is next compelled to undergo copulation with all the bucks present; again the same night, and a third time, on the following morning."

    In Birdsville, a hardwood stick two feet long with a crude life-sized penis carving at the top, was used to tear the hymen and posterior vaginal wall.

    “In the Tully area, a very young man would give his betrothed to an old man to sleep with her and train her for him. The idea was that the elder would ‘make the little child’s genitalia develop all the more speedily’. There was no restriction on age or social status at which the bride would be delivered up. As Roth observed, ‘It is of no uncommon occurrence to see an individual carrying on his shoulder his little child-wife who is perhaps too tired to toddle any further.”[6]

    Accounts from the missionary era are daunting.

    In 1905 the local telegraph operator at Fitzroy River reported that a five-year-old half-caste girl, Polly “was out with the old woman, Mary Ann, when a bush black took her away for two nights during which time the blacks here said he made use of her. Such actions as that of Polly and the men are very common among the natives.” [7]
    Anglican lay missionary Mary Bennett in 1934 testified, “The practice to which I refer is that of intercision of the girls at the age of puberty. The vagina is cut with glass by the old men, and that involves a great deal of suffering…I remember my old Aboriginal nurse speak with horror of the suffering which she had been made to undergo.”[8]
    A practice as bad as female genital mutilation is still inflicted on hundreds of boys annually – involuntary sub-incision, the slitting open of the male urethra.[9]
    The controversy continues into the current period.

    In the 1970s John Coldrey, later a judge of the Victorian Supreme Court, appeared for a Central Australian Aboriginal Legal Aid Service client in Alice Springs. The traditional man, drunk, had inflicted 201 separate injuries on his wife who then bled to death. She had been passively crouching, and there were no defensive wounds.The man was punishing her for having been with other men that day. He had not wanted to kill or seriously injure her, he said. J. Coldrey belatedly discovered that the wounds were on traditional punishment areas of the body, and the conviction was then of manslaughter, not murder.[10]

    Peter Sutton finds it distressing that in north and central Australia, relatives of small children “cruel” them by inflicting pain to make the child angry and violent, even from six months old. He believes this is a tradition dating from earliest times when aggression needed to be instilled in children.[11]

    NOWRA WROTE his book “Bad Dreaming” after a spell in Alice Springs hospital in 2005, when he saw numerous Aboriginal women and young girls with severe injuries from domestic violence. He visited outback communities and found them astonishingly brutal:

    “Some of the women’s faces ended up looking as though an incompetent butcher had conducted plastic surgery with a hammer and saw. The fear in the women’s eyes reminded me of dogs whipped into cringing submission.”12]
    Specific examples of abusive traditions are disquieting.

    “[An Aboriginal] Ngabidj related a Kimberley practice, the prelude to which , in his account, was of a child bride being taken crying from her parents, who then go far away. The child then had to bear sexual relations by many men before being taken over by her husband.”[23]

    Men could inflict "sacred rape" on a woman or group of women as punishment, to prepare a girl for marriage and penetrate girls upon puberty.

    “Women were offered in conciliation to raiding warriors. If their sexual services were accepted it signified there would be no fighting. In the Kimberley a woman might be sent over to a whole group of men visitors.

    If a Kimberley woman was thought to be ‘running around’, a group of men would take her into the bush, and so cut her genitals that she would be incapable of ever again having sexual intercourse.”[27]

    Other Kimberley accounts tell of girls of nine being impregnated and suffering long and severe labour, only to die at the end. Mother and the baby, whether dead or alive, were buried together.[28]

    Boys have been subjected to sometimes equivalent violence.

    Boy-wives as young as five were assigned to young unmarried men as lovers. In 1992 Fred Hollows was filmed talking about the practice of Aboriginal elders in some remote communities sodomising boys during initiations, and he complained about the HIV infections. The footage was aired only recently (mid-2000s). Nowra says, “It is highly probable his comments were considered too inflammatory and regarded as culturally insensitive.”[29]

    Lyla Coorey in a 2005 report to the Senate, said some elders were abusing boys in fake initiations. Gary Lee, an indigenous researcher, said boys as young as eight are being used for sex, with almost cultural sanction.[30]

    In 2004 in a remote NT community, three brothers under 10 were tied to a tree, stripped naked and sexually assaulted repeatedly by a gang of men. The distraught mother had been abused since 13 and fled with the boys to the bush for weeks living off plants until picked up by the police.

    In 2005 a four-year-old boy from a Northern Kimberley community was raped by a man until the boy lost control of his bodily functions, had surgery in Perth, was sent back to his community and then brutally raped again, this time by a 12-year-old.

    Between April and August 2006, five men and five youths aged 12-39, were charged with sexually assaulting an 11-year-old boy 37 times, initially when he was stoned on marijuana. He was raped by all nine, then later by another three. Later when swimming, he was threatened and assaulted by five men, one of them raping him with a 20cm stick. On the way home he was raped again by the five. The case was unconcluded when Nowra wrote the book, but the five men had been granted bail.[31]

    Sutton relates that “at Watha-Nhiin in the 1970s (a girl named Ursula Yunkaporta) had been one of a number of lively, sassy, school-age kids. In the 1990s she presented at Aurukun Hospital scores of times over a two-year period of heavy drinking, repeatedly bashed by her boyfriend and others with whom she also fought. She was treated after being savaged by dogs at night, and was twice examined after giving details of how she was pack-raped by local boys. In the end she took her own life by hanging, at twenty-seven…”[32]
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Ketch View Post
    Their criminality and drunkenness is very much to do with their race. This is why it was so retarded to try to integrate them fully into white society when they never capable. Criminality is positively correlated with low IQ, and the average Aboriginal is very low IQ indeed. What other race needs informational videos to not sleep on the road or sniff petrol?



    Every native people in the world unexposed to Alcohol or agriculture has suffered from alcohol abuse, it's the exact same reason for Amerindians. Putting it down to 'historical trauma' is a load of unfalsifiable bs. Northern Europeans suffer from alcohol abuse more than Southern Europeans for the very same reason, they are of higher WHG/Steppe ancestry, which are people's that were less adapted to alcohol than the Farmers/Middle Easterners that make up most of the Southern Euro ancestry.

    Whatever trauma the Abo's may have comes from the astronomical rates of child abuse that most of them experience, but I guess Colonialism is forcing them to do that to their kids as well. What they did and still do to themselves away from white supervision was far more barbaric than anything Europeans did to them. The 'Stolen Generation' (which is highly exaggerated and mischaracterised, less than 10k kids taken from their parents across the country between 1880 and 1970) was largely in response to the sickening child abuse that goes on in their communities. And it's not a new thing, read the anthropological reports of Aboriginal tribal practices. Read about penile subincision of infants.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...293-1548915622
    https://thewest.com.au/news/indigeno...-ng-b88563253z
    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...9e8412674734c0
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...e-high/9277170

    "More children are being removed today than they ever were during the Stolen Generations." - For the exact same reasons as they were being removed during the so called Stolen Generations, not some attempt to exterminate their race as brainwashed morons believe. There are more Abo's now than ever.
    I've heard about an Australian employer (think he works in the husbandry business) about how he had to hire a few Aboriginals for quota reasons and they would always quit the job only a few months after they started working. They would just randomly go on a migration during a certain season without asking and just never return. I heard about him from someone here in America that told me that he listened to his podcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Ketch View Post
    Putting it down to 'historical trauma' is a load of unfalsifiable bs.
    Not sure if you are right, already this book from 1934 described "historical trauma" caused by clash with civilization:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...ew=1up;seq=108


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    Claiming that Serbians are bellicose on account of their Thracian heritage is fanciful.

    Claiming that Aboriginals are traumatized from their colonial experience is very, very real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Not sure if you are right, already this book from 1934 described "historical trauma" caused by clash with civilization:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...ew=1up;seq=108

    'This book' by a Polish Marxist. The whole concept of perpetual historical trauma of colonised non-whites is Marxist from beginning to end.
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