View Poll Results: Which population is genetically closest to Ancient Greeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolfcypriot View Post
    Well from what I gather, the genetics of Greece have shifted Northwards than what it was before. In order to back my point, I will use Cyprus as an example. Cypriot came from what is now the Peloponnese. It would be worthy to say that they have the greatest genetic affinity with the people of Sparta which is actually not the case. There is a greater affinity with the Aegean islands however. This could mean that over time, Sparta could have absorbed some Slavic input or Cypriots originally came from Crete.
    Most Cypriots are indigenous (J1) not Greek colonists.

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    Tsakonian I think.
    They live very isolated location,thanks to mountains,and don't mix the others.
    Even their dialect is most archaic one of greek language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    Most Cypriots are indigenous (J1) not Greek colonists.
    Cyprus has mostly J2, not J1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianatomia View Post
    Indeed, it seems that the population in the Hellenic peninsula has a Northward shift since the Minoan era. This is obvious from both Minoan and Mycenaean specimens. But we have to be careful with your statement. First of all, Spartans have known to be Dorians. The Dorians have settled in the Peloponnese after the Mycenaean era. So it may be unjust to compare Ancient Spartans (Peloponnesians) and Cypriots. Perhaps the Dorians were genetically similar to the Mycenaeans, but this is a guess at the moment. It may very well be that Dorians, or other peoples, brought some additional Northern shifted admixture to The Hellenic peninsula during the Iron Age (after the Mycenaeans). Also, Cyprus was probably not desolated when the Greeks settled there. Other people may have lived there. This may have deluded the Peloponnesian genetic signature. Now, both Cypriots and Peloponessians were ancient Greeks, but it may very well be that there was some degree of genetic variety between them already in Classical antiquity or the Hellenistic era.
    There were Pre Doric Spartans(Acheans) and later Doric ones
    In the classical age most city states in Peloponnese were Doric,for example Corinth was Doric too.

    The Cypriots were according to tradition Acheans from Arcadia.

    As for Dorians they may have shifted a bit North from Mycanaeans maybe as much as Mycanaeans did from Minoans but i don't believe
    they were like Poles,Goths or Normans.

    Dorians same as the other Hellenic people were of basic native stock.

    Even today places for example in South Italy like Syracuse or Tarentum in Apulia which were known to be Dorian are very similar to Maniots
    or even general South Mainland Greeks which can give a clue what the classical Dorians genetics looked like kind of more North shifted than
    Greeks in the Islands but still with predominant native South European(Greek and Italian ancestry).

    Also note that Cyclade Islanders are not to different from Maniots,Syracusians and Apulians so this might gave a hint that classical
    Mainland Greeks both Mainland Ionians and Mainland Dorians might not have been very different genetically but they were different from their Greek cousins
    who settled earlier further East in the Islands because the latter had more Minoan like input from Island Greek natives who went to the Islands
    before Mainland Greeks started absorbing admixture from the North
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianatomia View Post
    Cyprus has mostly J2, not J1.
    You are correct. Somebody fooled me on this in the past!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    I'm looking forward to when the first North Macedonian opines, and to when the first Greek quotes the aforementioned..
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    In terms of phenotyopes, I will say I've seen a huge amount of ancient Greek looking people in Cyprus, Southern Peloponnisos, and Greek Macedonia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
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    No mention of Slavs in Greece, no bitching about the ethnic composition of modern Greece.

    It seems that you learn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuk View Post
    Tsakonian I think.
    They live very isolated location,thanks to mountains,and don't mix the others.
    Even their dialect is most archaic one of greek language.
    That might very well be the most reliable indicator (the archaism of the dialect spoken)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    No mention of Slavs in Greece, no bitching about the ethnic composition of modern Greece.

    It seems that you learn!
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