Are Bulgarians Trachians?

[bulgarian88]

Some new theorists claim we descend from Thracians. Do you think that is possible? What happened to the Thrace? Did they just disappear like the Mayans? If we descend from Thracians, does that mean we are related to Romanians (Dacians) since Dacians were a Thrace tribe?

[Loki]

Some new theorists claim we descend from Thracians. Do you think that is possible?

How is it a new theory? I would have thought it common sense that Bulgarians would have Thracian ancestry (among other).

If we descend from Thracians, does that mean we are related to Romanians (Dacians) since Dacians were a Thrace tribe?

Yes, partially.

[bulgarian88]

Well, the theory about our Turk origin still prevails on history books... lol

P.S. If scientists prove we are related to Romanians, that's fantastic! I like Romania and its culture. I always felt drawn to it in some way or another.

[Loki]

Well, the theory about our Turk origin still prevails on history books... lol

P.S. If scientists prove we are related to Romanians, that's fantastic! I like Romania and its culture. I always felt drawn to it in some way or another.

From Wikipedia:

Bulgarian DNA profile is congruent with those described for most European populations.

As for the interpopulation analysis of Y-DNA, similarly to mtDNA, Bulgarians belong to the cluster of European populations, still being slightly distant from them. Genetically, modern Bulgarians are more closely related to other neighbouring Balkan populations (Macedonians, Serbs, Romanians, Greeks and Albanians) than to the rest of the Europeans.

[poiuytrewq0987]

How is it a new theory? I would have thought it common sense that Bulgarians would have Thracian ancestry (among other).



Yes, partially.

Personally I believe the Bulgarians are more close to Romanians than they are to us despite linguistic differences between Romania and Bulgaria. The phenotype of Southern Romanians and Bulgarians seem to be really similar. Of course this shouldn't come as a surprise since both countries share common Thracian roots whereas Serbia is more Illyrian.

[Sikeliot]

Thracian with minor Slavic genetic influence most likely.. I'm not an expert but that's what I'd guess.. some Greek thrown in too.

[Osweo]

I have an ethnographic book on the Chuvash (written by a Chuvash), who are the survivors of Volga Bulgaria. The author detailed a few points of similarity with a few aspects of regional Balkan Bulgarian folklore, as well as with the Gagauzi Turkic speakers of Moldova.

There was some Turkic input in Bulgaria, therefore.

HOWEVER, the language is the best clue for the proportions of the ancestral populations in the make up of the modern Bulgarin: It's like a badly-learnt form of Slavonic. Almost like Englishmen who've lived in Russia a few years, in the grammar... There's little Turkic, and some pan-Balkan traits. There were enough Slavs to spread the language, but not enough to do it WELL. The new Bulgar upper class learnt the local Slavonic speech that had been established by the preceding invaders.

Therefore, Bulgars are mostly autochthonous Thracians, with a fair portion of Slavs, and a slight sprinkling of Steppe nomad. There'll be the odd Goth and Greek in there too, but Thracians must still constitute the majority.

[Lithium]

HOWEVER, the language is the best clue for the proportions of the ancestral populations in the make up of the modern Bulgarin: It's like a badly-learnt form of Slavonic. Almost like Englishmen who've lived in Russia a few years, in the grammar...

That was rude and so untrue. I understand ALL Slavic languages because I speak Bulgarian so I dont think this is a "badly learnt" Slavic Language. You shoud learn more about our influence from the Indo-Iranian Language group.

[Osweo]

That was rude and so untrue. I understand ALL Slavic languages because I speak Bulgarian so I dont think this is a "badly learnt" Slavic Language.

Sorry, but it IS true! The Slavonic case system has been utterly shot to pieces in Bulgarian!

I have a few Bulgarian books (I found them by chance in a country-town bookshop in Lincolnshire, and bought them very cheap ) and can mostly read them well enough with my Russian. There is almost no system of declining nouns, adjectives or pronouns according to grammatical case, though!

All other Slavonic languages preserved the cases. Bulgarian was therefore distorted in the mouths of Thracians who didn't understand or value the grammar of Slavonic well enough to preserve it.

If you translate 'The old man shot the old woman with his old gun' into Russian, Serbian and Bulgarian, it will demonstrate it very well.

You shoud learn more about our influence from the Indo-Iranian Language group.

Yes, there may well be some Sarmatian impact. But in terms of sheer numbers of people, it will be tiny.

[Lithium]

I am sorry too but your theory sounds hilarious to me By the way, do not try to read Bulgarian with you Russian language skills because the pronouncing of the two languages is really different. About the sentence you picked for example... there are really MANY ways to say something in Bulgarian, it is not just one. You can tell it in two totally different ways and still will be with the same sense