Are Bulgarians Trachians?

[Osweo]

I am sorry too but your theory sounds hilarious to me

It's the most straightforward explanation for the state of your language. Please, give me a reasonable alternative!

By the way, do not try to read Bulgarian with you Russian language skills because the pronouncing of the two languages is really different.

Sure, that's usually the case. But it's easier to listen to than Polski, at least!

About the sentence you picked for example... there are really MANY ways to say something in Bulgarian, it is not just one. You can tell it in two totally different ways and still will be with the same sense

Come on, do it the simplest way you can, or the most simplified way like this;

Starets strelyal starukhu so starym oruzhyom svoim.

Hmm, no, for our purposes, better to say 'old man' and 'old woman' with separate adjectives;

Stary muzhik strelyal staruyu babushku so starym oruzhyom svoim.

How would that be po-b@lgarski?

[Lithium]

'The old man shot the old woman with his old gun'
Старият мъж/Старецът застреля старата жена/баба/старицата със старото свое оръжие.

[Lisa]

sorry, but it is true! The slavonic case system has been utterly shot to pieces in bulgarian!

I have a few bulgarian books (i found them by chance in a country-town bookshop in lincolnshire, and bought them very cheap ) and can mostly read them well enough with my russian. There is almost no system of declining nouns, adjectives or pronouns according to grammatical case, though!

Не забывайте , они сильно изменили свой язык после того как мои предки освободили их от турок . Они даже ввели написание фамилий как в России . И конечно на русский язык оказал небольшое влияние церковнославянский - который похож на болгарский .

[Osweo]

'The old man shot the old woman with his old gun'
Старият мъж/Старецът застреля старата жена/баба/старицата със старото свое оръжие.

Blagodaryu! Okay, let's compare;

Stary muzh zastrelyal staruyu babu so starym svoim oruzhyom.

Stariyat m''zh zastrelya starata baba s''s staroto svoye or''zhie.

Very similar, obviously. In lexica, anyway.

But, the case endings;
Stary muzh_ zastrelyal staruyu babu so starym svoim oruzhyom.

Stariyat m''zh_ zastrelya starata baba s''s staroto svoye or''zhie.

Russian old baba in nominative case; staraya baba
Russian old baba in accusative case; staruyu babu

Russian his old gun in nominative case; svoyo staroye oruzhiye
Russian his old gun in instrumental case; svoim starym oruzhyom

Bulgarian nominative; baba, staroye svoye or''zhiye
Bulgarian accusative; baba
Bulgarian instrumental; ........ staro .. svoye or''zhiye

I.e. there is little or no case system in Bulgarian. Very unusual among Slavs.

English is similar to Bulgarski in this way, actually. It might be because of our similar story of assimilation of large numbers of natives by incoming barbarians.

[Osweo]

Не забывайте , они сильно изменили свой язык после того как мои предки освободили их от турок .

They did borrow a lot of Russian, this is true, but this is not relevant to the very DEEP non-Slavonic traits in their language.

Они даже ввели написание фамилий как в России .

Da? Kak eto? Ya zhnayu Bulgarina, po imeni Angel Perev Dimitrov. Eto ne 'Perovich'.

И конечно на русский язык оказал небольшое влияние церковнославянский - который похож на болгарский .

Old Church Slavonic was a fully inflected Slavonic language, with all the grammar (and more!) that Russian preserves. Bulgarian itself has lost these. Kirill and Mefodiy seem to have used a Bulgarian dialect, but perhaps it was the case that the countryfolk in their time were already using this distorted simplified form that we see in Modern Bulgarian.

To yest, the Bulgar elite spoke normal Slavonic, but the masses could not, being Slavonicised Thrakiitsy. The replacement of the elite by the Ottomans may have 'helped' the simplified form to preponderate...

[Guapo]

I always thought Bulgarians spoke some archaic Slavonic but maybe Osweo has a point here.

Old Church Slavonic was a fully inflected Slavonic language, with all the grammar (and more!) that Russian preserves. Bulgarian itself has lost these. Kirill and Mefodiy seem to have used a Bulgarian dialect, but perhaps it was the case that the countryfolk in their time were already using this distorted simplified form that we see in Modern Bulgarian.

To yest, the Bulgar elite spoke normal Slavonic, but the masses could not, being Slavonicised Thrakiitsy. The replacement of the elite by the Ottomans may have 'helped' the simplified form to preponderate

[Osweo]

I always thought Bulgarians spoke some archaic Slavonic but maybe Osweo has a point here.

It's always good to have the support of a big titted naked mestiza in such complex and involved linguistic matters.

How about giving us the Serbian, that we might compare how Bulgarian might have ended up, had the Thracians been better linguists?

[Lisa]

They did borrow a lot of Russian, this is true, but this is not relevant to the very DEEP non-Slavonic traits in their language.

Da? Kak eto? Ya zhnayu Bulgarina, po imeni Angel Perev Dimitrov. Eto ne 'Perovich'.

How today Turkmens or Kazakhs use ov - ova .

[Osweo]

How today Turkmens or Kazakhs use ov - ova .

I think that ending is much older in Bulgaria than the 1870s. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that surnames became more fixed then.

[Guapo]

It's always good to have the support of a big titted naked mestiza in such complex and involved linguistic matters.

How about giving us the Serbian, that we might compare how Bulgarian might have ended up, had the Thracians been better linguists?

stari/deda/djed/deka etc ubio staru zenu/babu/kravu sa svojom starom oruzje.