Real IRA Claims Responsibility for Killing British Soldiers

[Æmeric]

The Brits could leave & let the Loyalists & Nationalists go at it. But then the UN would have to assemble a peacekeeping force to save the Nationalists. The British Army is there as much for the protection of the Nationalists as the Loyalists. Without the British Army to maintain the peace, Ulster would have become like Lebanon. As bad as the troubles have been over the last 40-years it has never compared to Lebanon because the British Army was there.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Where the hell is the way out of this except for the killers to foresake the killing and let things simmer down. Then they might even reach some of their aims. But they want 100% or nothing, which is just stupid.

You offer nothing but death, dressed up in romantic language.

Indeed, the 'nationalists' (who have nothing offer in terms of nationalist economics which actually makes them appear to be useless Establishment tools in my mind...) are like the Plasticinians in this way.

100% or nothing?

End up with nothing.

Nope, because there are not substantial and rooted enclaves of Russians present there.

Germany's position with regard to the parts of Silesia and so on is quite a good analogy to ours with Ulster, actually. Germans had been there for centuries, and had developed distinct regional identities.

Quite and my granny was one of them, in Poland, even with a Polish surname.

But that sort of politics is so peripheral when compared with the threat from the mass immigration, which is everywhere including the Republic of Ireland.

How this translates into an exclusively British problem in that context I have no idea, and what do these people have to offer in terms of solution?

Nothing except appealing in a rather Marxoid fashion to the poorer republican community, and violence, and that is not a solution.

The Brits could leave & let the Loyalists & Nationalists go at it. But then the UN would have to assemble a peacekeeping force to save the Nationalists. The British Army is there as much for the protection of the Nationalists as the Loyalists. Without the British Army to maintain the peace, Ulster would have become like Lebanon. As bad as the troubles have been over the last 40-years it has never compared to Lebanon because the British Army was there.

You know, my father is an Anglican priest, and as a family we would stand up for the silly national anthem and all that crap, but we were an apolitical family and there were are few things which we never discussed in our house.

Money, sex, politics and actually, religion.

One thing that I remember from childhood is my mother impressing upon me what a weasel Gerry Adams was, from a totally apolitical perspective.

Whenever his blacked out face (it was always blacked out during the 80s) came on the television she would boom "It's that weasel of a man again!".

Her sentiments were that the conflict would never end and that Britain should withdraw and let them all at it. That was a rather cruel thing to say, looking back, but I wonder...

Years later I read BNP John Tyndall's wonderful book, "The Eleventh Hour", and here it came up again. Tyndall felt that the Loyalist paramilitaries should simply be allowed to do what ever they had to do to remove the IRA.

Opinions not so different.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Both countries are now representative parliamentary republics with religious freedom and members of the EU. What's the fight over? The only real difference between the two countries is one uses the Pound and the other the Euro.

[Beorn]

You don't seem to understand the principals of guerilla warfare. Why would the weaker force confront something so strong in a conventional manner?

I didn't question whether they were or were not abiding by the terms of guerilla warfare, I was discussing the fact they are cowards.

And as has been shown, they were cowards of the highest order.

Well if they gave an excuse, it would be one more than the British army are used to avoiding when they massacre thousands of Afghans, or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis...

I'll think you'll find the British Army are simple killers. There is no way of hiding that fact. I don't particularly agree with the modern frontiers with which the Army are engaging in, but they haven't just killed an unarmed man during peace time.

Compare all you like.

No, the real terrorists are the British army. Those men average one war per decade.

They fit the definition of one. They must be one.

They attacked Germany. They attacked Ireland. They attacked Iran. They attacked Iraq. They attacked Afghanistan.

● Irrespective of the supposed ulterior motives, Britain attacked Germany to honour their treaty with Poland and to halt an aggressive competitor.

● They attacked Ireland because they knew you to be weak and defenceless.

● They invaded Iran in 1941 to tactically eliminate potential allies to Germany. They departed from Iran near on the end of the war.

● Iraq was a mistake, as was Afghanistan, but to state that hundreds of thousands have died directly at British hands is outrageous and ridiculous.

And in each of those wars they carried out unspeakable war-crimes including genocide.

Which genocides would those be?

You bellyache over one or two TERRORISTS who have a legitmate beef, whilst your own people are off wiping out entire cities?

Hardly legitimate. More a legitimate way to justify cold blooded murder.
Something which the British Army are always being accused of by you and your own; when you can't even see the shit on the tip of your very noses.

The Irish screaming about the horror of the British, is akin to the Jews crying about the holocaust.

Both you and the Jews are the same. Bellyaching with a knife behind your back.