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    Default Ottoman Turk on GEDmatch

    MA2196 Ottoman Turkish, 1400-1600 AD (near Kaman, Kırşehir Province, Central Anatolia):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaman,_K%C4%B1r%C5%9Fehir

    This is the less Mongoloid of the two samples (the other one was on GEDmatch already before):

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...9.2748/33.9837

    Kit number on GEDmatch Genesis - FT2357004

    Eurogenes K15:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 21.44
    2 East_Med 18.69
    3 Siberian 15.45
    4 Atlantic 8.19
    5 Eastern_Euro 7.86
    6 South_Asian 6.56
    7 Southeast_Asian 5.95
    8 West_Med 5.36
    9 Baltic 3.75
    10 North_Sea 3.06
    11 Red_Sea 1.82
    12 Northeast_African 1.71
    13 Amerindian 0.1
    14 Oceanian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Turkmen 13.37
    2 Nogay 13.93
    3 Afghan_Turkmen 15.73
    4 Afghan_Uzbeki 17.65
    5 Afghan_Tadjik 18.02
    6 Turkish 18.49
    7 Uzbeki 19.11
    8 Tadjik 19.11
    9 Azeri 19.81
    10 Afghan_Hazara 20.13
    11 Kumyk 23.54
    12 Ashkenazi 23.76
    13 Hazara 24.12
    14 Iranian 24.4
    15 Kurdish 24.45
    16 Central_Greek 24.95
    17 Uygur 25.07
    18 Italian_Abruzzo 25.3
    19 Greek 25.41
    20 East_Sicilian 25.43

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 54.3% Afghan_Turkmen + 45.7% Turkish @ 4.48
    2 69.4% Turkish + 30.6% Hakas @ 4.81
    3 65.5% Afghan_Turkmen + 34.5% Cyprian @ 4.89
    4 64.7% Afghan_Turkmen + 35.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.96
    5 68.6% Turkish + 31.4% Shors @ 5.13
    6 71.4% Turkish + 28.6% Altaian @ 5.35
    7 66.1% Afghan_Turkmen + 33.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.47
    8 64.5% Afghan_Turkmen + 35.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.57
    9 65.2% Afghan_Turkmen + 34.8% Assyrian @ 5.76
    10 65.3% Afghan_Turkmen + 34.7% Syrian @ 5.95
    11 75% Turkish + 25% Tuvinian @ 6.03
    12 66.7% Afghan_Turkmen + 33.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 6.06
    13 50.9% Turkish + 49.1% Uzbeki @ 6.13
    14 63.8% Afghan_Turkmen + 36.2% South_Italian @ 6.14
    15 68.1% Azeri + 31.9% Hakas @ 6.14
    16 65.2% Afghan_Turkmen + 34.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 6.15
    17 56.5% Afghan_Turkmen + 43.5% Azeri @ 6.18
    18 70.1% Azeri + 29.9% Altaian @ 6.18
    19 69.5% Afghan_Turkmen + 30.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 6.18
    20 67.6% Afghan_Turkmen + 32.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.2

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    He seems to have been part European besides the West Eurasian that was already present in the Turkics.

    puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asia 25.12
    2 SW_Europe 20.45
    3 NE_Europe 15.86
    4 Siberia 10.84
    5 SW_Asia 10.8
    6 NE_Asia 10.68
    7 South_Asia 4.89
    8 Americas 1.1
    9 East_Africa 0.18
    10 Oceania 0.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Nogay 7.67
    2 Turkish_Aydin 11.33
    3 Kumyk 14.73
    4 Balkar 15.62
    5 Afghan_Uzbeki 16.03
    6 Turkish 16.22
    7 Turkish_Kayseri 17.36
    8 Tadjik 18.91
    9 Ossetian 19.94
    10 Azerbaijan_Azeri 20.15
    11 Romani 20.35
    12 Dagestan_Azeri 20.75
    13 Adygei 21.67
    14 Greek_Central 22.55
    15 Ashkenazy_Jew 23.19
    16 Afghan_Hazara 23.3
    17 Chechen 23.41
    18 Italian_Sicilian 23.87
    19 Sephardic_Jew 24.53
    20 Syrian 24.62

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 50.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 49.9% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.07
    2 50.8% Greek_Central + 49.2% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.52
    3 50.6% Afghan_Hazara + 49.4% Italian_Sicilian @ 3.7
    4 51.3% Afghan_Hazara + 48.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 3.94
    5 86.4% Nogay + 13.6% Saharawi @ 4.1
    6 51.7% Afghan_Hazara + 48.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.12
    7 86.3% Nogay + 13.7% Mozabite @ 4.22
    8 84.9% Nogay + 15.1% Algerian @ 4.45
    9 85.5% Nogay + 14.5% Moroccan @ 4.49
    10 84% Nogay + 16% Tunisian @ 4.63
    11 85.7% Nogay + 14.3% Egyptian_Copts @ 5.12
    12 82.3% Turkish_Aydin + 17.7% Mongolian @ 5.13
    13 80.6% Turkish_Aydin + 19.4% Altaian @ 5.27
    14 85.3% Turkish_Aydin + 14.7% Oroqen @ 5.35
    15 73.1% Turkish + 26.9% Altaian @ 5.35
    16 69.4% Turkish_Aydin + 30.6% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.36
    17 85.4% Turkish_Aydin + 14.6% Daur @ 5.4
    18 86.1% Turkish_Aydin + 13.9% Xibo @ 5.52
    19 85.4% Nogay + 14.6% Egyptian @ 5.57
    20 82.3% Nogay + 17.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 5.68

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    Eurogenes K36:

    40913 SNPs used in this evaluation

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian 5.92 Pct
    Basque -
    Central_African 0.28 Pct
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian 5.55 Pct
    East_Balkan 2.10 Pct
    East_Central_Asian 4.08 Pct

    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 14.58 Pct
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian 1.06 Pct
    French 2.06 Pct
    Iberian 4.40 Pct

    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 10.68 Pct
    North_African 1.36 Pct
    North_Atlantic 11.95 Pct
    North_Caucasian 13.96 Pct

    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian 13.03 Pct
    South_Asian 3.20 Pct
    South_Central_Asian 3.51 Pct

    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 2.27 Pct
    West_Med -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    He seems to have been part European besides the West Eurasian that was already present in the Turkics.
    He scores high North Atlantic in K36, this might indicate Galatian Celtic ancestry:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galati...eople)#History

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    ^^^
    Halfway between modern Turks and Turkmen:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post

    He scores high North Atlantic in K36, this might indicate Galatian Celtic ancestry:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galati...eople)#History
    Most likely because of Sintashta-like ancestry in Seljuks. For whatever reason Sintashta gets high North-Atlantic:

    North_Atlantic (mostly northern European)

    - Sintashta: 21.5%
    - Iron Age Sweden : 19.5%
    - Mesolithic Sweden: 19.5%
    - Iron Age England : 19%
    - Afanasievo : 16.5%
    - Corded Ware Denmark: 15.5%
    - Corded Ware Germany (Esperstedt): 15%
    - Mesolithic Hungary: 10%
    - Yamna: 9%
    - Mesolithic Luxembourg: 9%
    - Mesolithic Spain: 8%
    - Mesolithic Karelia: 7%
    - Mesolithic Samara: 0%
    - Nordic Bronze Age Denmark: 0%
    - Corded Ware Poland: 0%
    - Neolithic Europe: 0%
    - Palaeolithic Siberia: 0%
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...lly-correspond

    If he had Galatian Celtic ancestry he would get high Central-Euro as Celts came from Bavaria/Austria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragan Ciobanu View Post
    If he had Galatian Celtic ancestry he would get high Central-Euro as Celts came from Bavaria/Austria.
    Nope, Central Euro is not a typically Celtic component. Hallstatt Celts from what is now Czech Republic scored low Central Euro:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Ps-than-before

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...112-850-700-BC

    Germanic people such as Poprad chieftain scored much higher of Central Euro, which is rather an Eastern Germanic component:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ia)-375-400-AD

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    Probably not very accurate.

    See: 40913 SNPs used in this evaluation
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Probably not very accurate.

    See: 40913 SNPs used in this evaluation
    That is almost as much as 23andMe v5 chip, so not bad at all...

    There is another Ottoman Turk with closer to 90,000 SNPs in K36, and with even more Mongoloid/Siberian results.

    Modern Turks have - on average - more of Pre-Turkic Anatolian ancestry than this sample.

    I guess it means that in 1400-1600 AD Turkicization of Anatolia was still in progress (and mixing between Turks and Non-Turks was still in progress).

    ==========

    Some more calcs:

    Ottoman Turk MA2196 in MDLP K23b:

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    Ottoman Turk MA2196 in puntDNAL K12 Modern:

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    Ottoman Turk MA2196 in Dodecad K12b:

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    Ottoman Turk MA2196 in Eurogenes K13:

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    Ottoman Turk MA2196 in Harappa World:

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    Ottoman Turk in Eurogenes JTest (was not part Jewish - scores 0% Ashkenazi in JTest):

    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 2.46 Pct
    EAST_EURO 2.72 Pct
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.11 Pct
    ATLANTIC 5.25 Pct
    WEST_MED 2.53 Pct
    ASHKENAZI -
    EAST_MED 24.16 Pct
    WEST_ASIAN 18.92 Pct
    MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.36 Pct
    SOUTH_ASIAN 4.03 Pct
    EAST_AFRICAN 1.43 Pct
    EAST_ASIAN 9.58 Pct
    SIBERIAN 13.45 Pct
    WEST_AFRICAN -

    Spoiler!
    Last edited by Peterski; 02-09-2019 at 06:26 PM.

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    He was probably still a nomad.
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    ^^^
    Why did you thumb down my post? What exactly is "controversial" about these results?

    The other sample - MA2195 - scores even more more Mongoloid than this one. Check:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...AN-TURKISH-DNA






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