Taino Amerindian in MDLP World 22

[Peterski]

I uploaded PC537, ancient Taino sample, to GEDmatch:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map....4974/283.4289

Results in MDLP World 22 calculator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mesoamerican 48.81
2 North-Amerind 27.11
3 South-America_Amerind 21.4
4 East-South-Asian 0.95
5 North-East-European 0.78
6 Sub-Saharian 0.5
7 East-Siberean 0.17
8 Melanesian 0.15
9 Indo-Iranian 0.09
10 Austronesian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Karitiana (derived) 10.1
2 Maya (derived) 10.63
3 Mixtec (derived) 14.82
4 Luiseno (derived) 15.07
5 Huichol (derived) 16.22
6 Cucupa (derived) 20.18
7 Colombian (derived) 22.75
8 Kumiai (derived) 23.89
9 Apache (derived) 30.05
10 Cochimi (derived) 31.51
11 Serrano (derived) 34.81
12 Navajo (derived) 40.82
13 Mexican (derived) 43.99
14 Miwok (derived) 46.93
15 Haida (derived) 50.1
16 Tsimsian (derived) 54.99
17 Pima (derived) 57.03
18 Tlingit (derived) 59.88
19 Costanoan (derived) 60.5
20 Ste7 (derived) 60.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.3% Karitiana (derived) + 19.7% Navajo (derived) @ 1.42
2 75.2% Karitiana (derived) + 24.8% Apache (derived) @ 2.07
3 86.2% Karitiana (derived) + 13.8% Tlingit (derived) @ 3.13
4 88.2% Mixtec (derived) + 11.8% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.19
5 88% Mixtec (derived) + 12% Surui (derived) @ 3.27
6 87.2% Huichol (derived) + 12.8% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.28
7 88.5% Karitiana (derived) + 11.5% Athabask (derived) @ 3.29
8 86.9% Huichol (derived) + 13.1% Surui (derived) @ 3.37
9 90.5% Karitiana (derived) + 9.5% North-Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.78
10 51.6% Karitiana (derived) + 48.4% Maya (derived) @ 4.63
11 88.1% Luiseno (derived) + 11.9% Surui (derived) @ 4.71
12 88.3% Luiseno (derived) + 11.7% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 4.76
13 85.1% Karitiana (derived) + 14.9% Haida (derived) @ 5.09
14 62.3% Karitiana (derived) + 37.7% Luiseno (derived) @ 5.45
15 87.5% Karitiana (derived) + 12.5% Tsimsian (derived) @ 6.44
16 92.7% Maya (derived) + 7.3% Surui (derived) @ 6.69
17 92.9% Maya (derived) + 7.1% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 6.72
18 75.6% Karitiana (derived) + 24.4% Kumiai (derived) @ 6.87
19 64.4% Karitiana (derived) + 35.6% Mixtec (derived) @ 7.07
20 72.7% Karitiana (derived) + 27.3% Cucupa (derived) @ 7.19

[Cristiano viejo]

Tainos dont exist since some centuries ago, so how can they know?

0,5%SSA? wtf

[Peterski]

Tainos dont exist since some centuries ago, so how can they know?

This is a DNA sample extracted from ancient bones (dated to years 776–992 AD).

Also 4-Ancestors Oracle:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Karitiana_derived +50% Maya_derived @ 4.782707

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Karitiana_derived +25% Karitiana_derived +25% Navajo_derived @ 3.105656

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Apache_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived @ 2.236245
2 Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Navajo_derived @ 3.105656
3 Mesomerican_ancestral + North-Amerind_ancestral + Pima_derived + Surui_derived @ 3.919131
4 North-Amerind_ancestral + Pima_derived + Pima_derived + Surui_derived @ 4.206366
5 Mesomerican_ancestral + South-America_Amerind_ancestral + North-Amerind_ancestral + Pima_derived @ 4.316062
6 Mesomerican_ancestral + Mesomerican_ancestral + North-Amerind_ancestral + Surui_derived @ 4.333650
7 Mesomerican_ancestral + Mesomerican_ancestral + South-America_Amerind_ancestral + North-Amerind_ancestral @ 4.532943
8 Apache_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Mixtec_derived @ 4.548784
9 South-America_Amerind_ancestral + North-Amerind_ancestral + Pima_derived + Pima_derived @ 4.745262
10 Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Maya_derived + Maya_derived @ 4.782707
11 Apache_derived + Huichol_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived @ 4.789912
12 Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Luiseno_derived + Maya_derived @ 4.914749
13 Apache_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Maya_derived @ 4.984715
14 Apache_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Luiseno_derived @ 5.143167
15 Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Maya_derived + Mixtec_derived @ 5.551753
16 Huichol_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Maya_derived @ 5.699325
17 Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Luiseno_derived + Luiseno_derived @ 5.815157
18 Athabask_derived + Pima_derived + Pima_derived + Surui_derived @ 6.072768
19 Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Luiseno_derived @ 6.216534
20 Karitiana_derived + Karitiana_derived + Mixtec_derived + Navajo_derived @ 6.272645

[Cristiano viejo]

This is a DNA sample extracted from ancient bones (dated to years 776–992 AD).

Really? and do you believe that shit?

[Peterski]

Really? and do you believe that shit?

Why not? Seems legit:



Are you a Tainocaust denialist?

[Cristiano viejo]

Why not? Seems legit:

Are you a Tainocaust denialist?

I dont care about Tainos or how they dead by diseases. It happened 500 years ago, for God sake.

[Leto]

I uploaded PC537, ancient Taino sample, to GEDmatch:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map....4974/283.4289

Results in MDLP World 22 calculator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mesoamerican 48.81
2 North-Amerind 27.11
3 South-America_Amerind 21.4
4 East-South-Asian 0.95
5 North-East-European 0.78
6 Sub-Saharian 0.5
7 East-Siberean 0.17
8 Melanesian 0.15
9 Indo-Iranian 0.09
10 Austronesian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Karitiana (derived) 10.1
2 Maya (derived) 10.63
3 Mixtec (derived) 14.82
4 Luiseno (derived) 15.07
5 Huichol (derived) 16.22
6 Cucupa (derived) 20.18
7 Colombian (derived) 22.75
8 Kumiai (derived) 23.89
9 Apache (derived) 30.05
10 Cochimi (derived) 31.51
11 Serrano (derived) 34.81
12 Navajo (derived) 40.82
13 Mexican (derived) 43.99
14 Miwok (derived) 46.93
15 Haida (derived) 50.1
16 Tsimsian (derived) 54.99
17 Pima (derived) 57.03
18 Tlingit (derived) 59.88
19 Costanoan (derived) 60.5
20 Ste7 (derived) 60.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.3% Karitiana (derived) + 19.7% Navajo (derived) @ 1.42
2 75.2% Karitiana (derived) + 24.8% Apache (derived) @ 2.07
3 86.2% Karitiana (derived) + 13.8% Tlingit (derived) @ 3.13
4 88.2% Mixtec (derived) + 11.8% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.19
5 88% Mixtec (derived) + 12% Surui (derived) @ 3.27
6 87.2% Huichol (derived) + 12.8% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.28
7 88.5% Karitiana (derived) + 11.5% Athabask (derived) @ 3.29
8 86.9% Huichol (derived) + 13.1% Surui (derived) @ 3.37
9 90.5% Karitiana (derived) + 9.5% North-Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.78
10 51.6% Karitiana (derived) + 48.4% Maya (derived) @ 4.63
11 88.1% Luiseno (derived) + 11.9% Surui (derived) @ 4.71
12 88.3% Luiseno (derived) + 11.7% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 4.76
13 85.1% Karitiana (derived) + 14.9% Haida (derived) @ 5.09
14 62.3% Karitiana (derived) + 37.7% Luiseno (derived) @ 5.45
15 87.5% Karitiana (derived) + 12.5% Tsimsian (derived) @ 6.44
16 92.7% Maya (derived) + 7.3% Surui (derived) @ 6.69
17 92.9% Maya (derived) + 7.1% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 6.72
18 75.6% Karitiana (derived) + 24.4% Kumiai (derived) @ 6.87
19 64.4% Karitiana (derived) + 35.6% Mixtec (derived) @ 7.07
20 72.7% Karitiana (derived) + 27.3% Cucupa (derived) @ 7.19

And why did you choose K22? What about the others?

[Peterski]

And why did you choose K22? What about the others?

Which other ones should I post?

PuntDNAL K12 Modern:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Amerindian 88.77
2 Beringian 5.77
3 East_Asian 2.43
4 Sub-Saharan 1.02
5 European_HG 0.94
6 Siberian 0.9
7 Anatolian_NF 0.14
8 Caucasus_HG 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mayan 10.05
2 Pima 13.34
3 Eskimo 86.44
4 Hazara 99.88
5 Uzbek 100.08
6 Turkmen 101.19
7 Nogai 101.73
8 Turkish_Aydin 102.54
9 Tajik_Pomiri 102.57
10 Somali_Benadiri 102.75
11 Turkish 103.44
12 Burusho 103.55
13 Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh 103.8
14 Lebanese 104.1
15 Yemeni 104.25
16 Chuvash 104.34
17 Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim 104.38
18 Afghan_Pashtun 104.49
19 Jordanian 104.58
20 Egyptian 104.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.9% Mayan + 10.1% Eskimo @ 2.75
2 93.1% Mayan + 6.9% Koryak @ 3.31
3 92.5% Mayan + 7.5% Chukchi @ 3.51
4 87% Pima + 13% Eskimo @ 3.57
5 91% Pima + 9% Koryak @ 4.49
6 90.3% Pima + 9.7% Chukchi @ 4.8
7 93.3% Mayan + 6.7% Mongolian @ 5.93
8 92.5% Mayan + 7.5% Hazara @ 6.05
9 93.5% Mayan + 6.5% Korean @ 6.06
10 93.6% Mayan + 6.4% Japanese @ 6.1
11 92.9% Mayan + 7.1% Altaian @ 6.13
12 93.7% Mayan + 6.3% Cambodian @ 6.19
13 93.2% Mayan + 6.8% Tuvinian @ 6.23
14 93.9% Mayan + 6.1% Han_Chinese @ 6.25
15 92.8% Mayan + 7.2% Turkmen @ 6.31
16 92.7% Mayan + 7.3% Uzbek @ 6.31
17 94.1% Mayan + 5.9% Vietnamese @ 6.42
18 89.5% Pima + 10.5% Hazara @ 6.52
19 93.1% Mayan + 6.9% Somali_Benadiri @ 6.56
20 93.4% Mayan + 6.6% Selkup @ 6.62

Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 66.34
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 21.12
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 7.78
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.79
5 Sub_Saharan 0.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pima 4.08
2 Clovis 7.64
3 Altaian 13.44
4 Kyrgyz 15.16
5 Eskimo 18.22
6 Sherpa 18.51
7 Kalmyk 19.82
8 Kusunda 19.89
9 Cambodian 24.96
10 Uygur 25.11
11 Hazara 25.19
12 Nganasan 29.02
13 Tibetan 29.74
14 Mongola 33.61
15 Uzbek 36.06
16 Ami 37.04
17 Han 37.76
18 Ulchi 37.93
19 Dai 39.49
20 Turkmen 45.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.8% Clovis + 18.2% Mongola @ 1.69
2 79.6% Clovis + 20.4% Nganasan @ 1.79
3 83.6% Clovis + 16.4% Han @ 1.91
4 83.3% Clovis + 16.7% Ami @ 1.92
5 83.7% Clovis + 16.3% Ulchi @ 1.96
6 84.2% Clovis + 15.8% Dai @ 1.96
7 72.8% Clovis + 27.2% Kalmyk @ 2.05
8 80.2% Clovis + 19.8% Tibetan @ 2.2
9 74.7% Tibetan + 25.3% EHG @ 2.87
10 97.6% Pima + 2.4% Hungarian_KO1 @ 2.99
11 97.6% Pima + 2.4% WHG @ 2.99
12 71.9% Clovis + 28.1% Eskimo @ 3.03
13 83.4% Pima + 16.6% Altaian @ 3.15
14 97.6% Pima + 2.4% Motala12 @ 3.21
15 97.5% Pima + 2.5% SHG @ 3.23
16 96.4% Pima + 3.6% GoyetQ116 @ 3.25
17 85.8% Pima + 14.2% Kyrgyz @ 3.27
18 90.2% Pima + 9.8% Kusunda @ 3.48
19 97.8% Pima + 2.2% Europe_EN @ 3.49
20 92.1% Pima + 7.9% Cambodian @ 3.5

[Gauthier]

I uploaded PC537, ancient Taino sample, to GEDmatch:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map....4974/283.4289

Results in MDLP World 22 calculator:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mesoamerican 48.81
2 North-Amerind 27.11
3 South-America_Amerind 21.4
4 East-South-Asian 0.95
5 North-East-European 0.78
6 Sub-Saharian 0.5
7 East-Siberean 0.17
8 Melanesian 0.15
9 Indo-Iranian 0.09
10 Austronesian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Karitiana (derived) 10.1
2 Maya (derived) 10.63
3 Mixtec (derived) 14.82
4 Luiseno (derived) 15.07
5 Huichol (derived) 16.22
6 Cucupa (derived) 20.18
7 Colombian (derived) 22.75
8 Kumiai (derived) 23.89
9 Apache (derived) 30.05
10 Cochimi (derived) 31.51
11 Serrano (derived) 34.81
12 Navajo (derived) 40.82
13 Mexican (derived) 43.99
14 Miwok (derived) 46.93
15 Haida (derived) 50.1
16 Tsimsian (derived) 54.99
17 Pima (derived) 57.03
18 Tlingit (derived) 59.88
19 Costanoan (derived) 60.5
20 Ste7 (derived) 60.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.3% Karitiana (derived) + 19.7% Navajo (derived) @ 1.42
2 75.2% Karitiana (derived) + 24.8% Apache (derived) @ 2.07
3 86.2% Karitiana (derived) + 13.8% Tlingit (derived) @ 3.13
4 88.2% Mixtec (derived) + 11.8% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.19
5 88% Mixtec (derived) + 12% Surui (derived) @ 3.27
6 87.2% Huichol (derived) + 12.8% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.28
7 88.5% Karitiana (derived) + 11.5% Athabask (derived) @ 3.29
8 86.9% Huichol (derived) + 13.1% Surui (derived) @ 3.37
9 90.5% Karitiana (derived) + 9.5% North-Amerind (ancestral) @ 3.78
10 51.6% Karitiana (derived) + 48.4% Maya (derived) @ 4.63
11 88.1% Luiseno (derived) + 11.9% Surui (derived) @ 4.71
12 88.3% Luiseno (derived) + 11.7% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 4.76
13 85.1% Karitiana (derived) + 14.9% Haida (derived) @ 5.09
14 62.3% Karitiana (derived) + 37.7% Luiseno (derived) @ 5.45
15 87.5% Karitiana (derived) + 12.5% Tsimsian (derived) @ 6.44
16 92.7% Maya (derived) + 7.3% Surui (derived) @ 6.69
17 92.9% Maya (derived) + 7.1% South-America_Amerind (ancestral) @ 6.72
18 75.6% Karitiana (derived) + 24.4% Kumiai (derived) @ 6.87
19 64.4% Karitiana (derived) + 35.6% Mixtec (derived) @ 7.07
20 72.7% Karitiana (derived) + 27.3% Cucupa (derived) @ 7.19

This confirms that Tainos were of the ''small'' amerindian type, similar to their Amazonian & Maya cousins.

[Peterski]

How many Tainos were there in 1492 when Columbus came?