West Asians vs North-West Africans...

[Foxy]

Which are the anthropological differences between North-West Africans and West Asians (mostly Turks)?



It seems that Northern Turks are a bit lighter and definitely more European-looking. Genetically, Northern Africans belong mostly to E3b, while Turks have huge differences but the prevalent haplogroup is J.
What about their subraces?

Post pics please.

[Hess]

Which are the anthropological differences between North-West Africans and West Asians (mostly Turks)?



It seems that Northern Turks are a bit lighter and definitely more European-looking. Genetically, Northern Africans belong mostly to E3b, while Turks have huge differences but the prevalent haplogroup is J.
What about their subraces?

Post pics please.

Well, west Asians are not just Turks. There are other people from the Caucasus, such as Armenians, Geogians, Chechens, etc.

Having lived in Russia as a child, I saw many immigrants from the Caucasus. My Grandfather sold petroleum in Armenia, and he had a lot of Armenian friends. Judging by what I saw, I would be willing to say that 15% of Armenians can pass as Europids and 20% of Georgians can pass as Europids.

When I say that they can pass as Europids, I mainly mean that they wouldn't be out of place in Greece, southern Italy, and Malta. A few of them would even be able to pass as Bulgarians.

Culturally speaking, however, they are definitely not European. Even though Armenia and Georgia are christian nations, it's people still seem to have a very Eastern, Semitic mindset that is foreign to us.

To summarize, there are still a few people in the Caucasus left who are almost completely Europid looking. As for north Africa, as far as I know they are ALL mixed .

I can't post pics right now, but ill probably be able to later in the day.

[Agrippa]

To sum it up, both are pred. Suedeuropid, but of different types and subtypes, with Turks having Mongoloid and North West Africans Negroid admixture on a low level.

This must not lead to phenotypical-racial significance though, as they can have strongly Europid traits, but individual-wise at least, the admixture is noticable.

In general, without the Mongoloid admixture, West Asians are among the core groups, if not the core group, of the Europid race.

[Sikeliot]

Hess has it almost exactly right IMO, except for what he said about North Africans being all mixed.

Most Turks, Armenians, Georgians, etc. look distinctly West Asian, but a fair number of them could pass as atypicals Greeks, Maltese, south Italians, and probably Bulgarians. East Med, Armenoid, and Dinarid elements seem to be what make up most of their phenotypes.

These are some Armenians, as an example.





Northwest Africans today are mostly mixed with Arab and Sub-Saharan African bloodlines, and look distinctly non-European. They look by and large like this;



However some isolated Berber groups in northern Morocco and Algeria, such as Riffians and Kabyles, have not absorbed nearly as much black and Arab influence and actually bear some resemblance to Southern Europeans, albeit primarily Spaniards and Portuguese, rather than SE Europeans. Among them, South Cromagnid (Berberid) and what appears to be a West Med derived form seem present. Here are some examples.

[Foxy]

^^^

Well something similar can be said for Northern Africans. There is not just one people. There are the Berbers who are a bit lighter, the Touaregs, Arabs, Sahrawis too in southern Morocco, for exemple. In the case of Lybia there are also Jews and Egyptians.

[gold_fenix]

well i have seen too turks in the South of Turkey (mersin) and they look european, Turkey is the bridge between Europe and Asia, so maybe some zones not received arabish influence in term of poblation
This people is from Mersin

When my father was in germany said who turks there aren't as these people

[Agrippa]

Most Turks in Germany are lower level Anatolians, the higher level and Western-coastal Turks stay much more often at home or come as students and business men.

The mass immigration and problem cases consists largely of the lower level Anatolians, unfortunately.

Their lower level has little to do with Arabs though, which are, even if being more foreign at times, often more progressive-harmonious than many of those Anatolians.

[Foxy]

Libaneses are not Arabs, for exemple, but Phoenicians and usually are lighter than Arabs.

Miss Lebanon:



Miss Arabia:



Well differences are clear. No need to explain.

[Sikeliot]

Libaneses are not Arabs, for exemple, but Phoenicians and usually are lighter than Arabs.

Miss Lebanon:



Miss Arabia:



Well differences are clear. No need to explain.

Lebanese may not be Arabs but they are still Semitic. The Phoenician language's closest relative is Hebrew.

[Hess]

Keep in mind that even if an Lebanese or Iranian person looks Europid, they are still culturally completely foreign to Europe