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    less than 5%.

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    A minority and that's mostly because a few coastal Algerians have a pretty significant Iberian and Italian ancestry, not the other way around or at least not in the same proportion. It is uncommon to see Iberian individuals scoring more than 1% North African on 23andMe, whereas Iberian and Italian ancestry seems to represent a significant portion of some Algerian individuals autosomal results. MsSPF (who is fully Algerian) got 25% Iberian and 6% Italian on 23andMe. It is estimated that 300,000 to 1 million Moriscos were expelled to North Africa (Moriscos were Muslims who were either fully Iberian, fully North African or with both significant Iberian and North African ancestry).
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    most north africans look like quadroon to mulatto to me.

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    So, many Northern Italians can pass as Portuguese but only a minority of Algerians can pass? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    A minority and that's mostly because a few coastal Algerians have a pretty significant Iberian and Italian ancestry, not the other way around or at least not in the same proportion. It is uncommon to see Iberian individuals scoring more than 1% North African on 23andMe, whereas Iberian and Italian ancestry seems to represent a significant portion of some Algerian individuals autosomal results. MsSPF (who is fully Algerian) got 25% Iberian and 6% Italian on 23andMe. It is estimated that 300,000 to 1 million Moriscos were expelled to North Africa (Moriscos were Muslims who were either fully Iberian, fully North African or with both significant Iberian and North African ancestry).
    Neolithic North Africans are closer to Europeans than modern ones so most European-like ancestry there is very old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolsonaro View Post
    So, many Northern Italians can pass as Portuguese but only a minority of Algerians can pass? lol
    Can you quote the Portuguese member who said that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lameduck View Post
    most north africans look like quadroon to mulatto to me.
    I noticed this too. Someone said I looked like I come from Atlas (referring to the Atlas mountains), so I went to look it up and found a youtube video of a small village in the area. I didn't see anyone who looked like me. But, then again, someone posted a picture of a Moroccan girl who looks like a prettier version of me on here. I think it depends on the area. In some areas, there is a lot of overlap. In other areas, there is hardly any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Neolithic North Africans are closer to Europeans than modern ones so most European-like ancestry there is very old.
    That also but I doubt that all their European-like ancestry is only derived from that. Algeria was once the stage for Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals, Morisco refugees, Ottomans, French Empire, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    A minority and that's mostly because a few coastal Algerians have a pretty significant Iberian and Italian ancestry, not the other way around or at least not in the same proportion. It is uncommon to see Iberian individuals scoring more than 1% North African on 23andMe, whereas Iberian and Italian ancestry seems to represent a significant portion of some Algerian individuals autosomal results. MsSPF (who is fully Algerian) got 25% Iberian and 6% Italian on 23andMe. It is estimated that 300,000 to 1 million Moriscos were expelled to North Africa (Moriscos were Muslims who were either fully Iberian, fully North African or with both significant Iberian and North African ancestry).
    You are right about that, it's mostly North Africans who are "Iberian" like more than the other way around, although there is probably a small minority of Iberians with North African backgrounds.
    All Maghrebis have a strong Iberian component in their DNA, it's ancient and comes from the Iberomaurisian period (20 to 50% of our DNA according to some studies). Iberia and NW Africa were basically more or less the same people at that time genetically speaking. This affinity makes sense anyway as both regions are very close geographically speaking.
    I think the highest scores are in Northern Morocco and NorthWest Algeria, from where I am from, which makes sense because I think the Iberomaurisian culture was born in my region. The oldest site of Iberomaurisian culture in North Africa is located in Maghnia, Algeria, few km from my village.

    I think most of our Iberian heritage is way older than the Andalusian period and Morisco ancestries only concerns a significant minority in few regions

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsSPF View Post
    You are right about that, it's mostly North Africans who are "Iberian" like more than the other way around, although there is probably a small minority of Iberians with North African backgrounds.
    All Maghrebis have a strong Iberian component in their DNA, it's ancient and comes from the Iberomaurisian period (20 to 50% of our DNA according to some studies). Iberia and NW Africa were basically more or less the same people at that time genetically speaking. This affinity makes sense anyway as both regions are very close geographically speaking.
    I think the highest scores are in Northern Morocco and NorthWest Algeria, from where I am from, which makes sense because I think the Iberomaurisian culture was born in my region. The oldest site of Iberomaurisian culture in North Africa is located in Maghnia, Algeria, few km from my village.

    I think most of our Iberian heritage is way older than the Andalusian period and Morisco ancestries only concerns a significant minority in few regions
    It's pretty amazing how much our cultures ended up diverging from that time. When I started looking up North African traditional dance and music, I got feeling a sense of foreignness that I don't have with other western European cultures - the dress, language, and melodies were all very distinct. Not saying it was bad, I liked it, but it wasn't "familiar." My father had a similar feeling when he visited Morocco in his youth.

    Is it like that with you in Europe?

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