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Thread: What percentage of Algerians can pass as Iberian?

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    It depends of what specifically Algerians we are referred to, Those who are quite Meds and/or Berid oriented have a good chance to pass over Iberia, let's say a portion around 10/15/20 %. Moroccan could pass way better in Iberia due essentially to their Western shifted though.

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    1%, being benevolent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsSPF View Post
    You are right about that, it's mostly North Africans who are "Iberian" like more than the other way around, although there is probably a small minority of Iberians with North African backgrounds.
    All Maghrebis have a strong Iberian component in their DNA, it's ancient and comes from the Iberomaurisian period (20 to 50% of our DNA according to some studies). Iberia and NW Africa were basically more or less the same people at that time genetically speaking. This affinity makes sense anyway as both regions are very close geographically speaking.
    I think the highest scores are in Northern Morocco and NorthWest Algeria, from where I am from, which makes sense because I think the Iberomaurisian culture was born in my region. The oldest site of Iberomaurisian culture in North Africa is located in Maghnia, Algeria, few km from my village.

    I think most of our Iberian heritage is way older than the Andalusian period and Morisco ancestries only concerns a significant minority in few regions
    Ibero-Maurussians despite the name had little in common with Iberians living in the peninsula as far as I am concerned, we don't know even know if both cultures coexisted but given the proximity it is possible.

    R1b (most common haplogroup in Western Europe) represents 10% of Algerian Y-DNA, the highest incidence in North Africa. This was most likely introduced in Algeria through Europeans.
    YDNA: R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866


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    Quote Originally Posted by OsricPearl View Post
    It's pretty amazing how much our cultures ended up diverging from that time. When I started looking up North African traditional dance and music, I got feeling a sense of foreignness that I don't have with other western European cultures - the dress, language, and melodies were all very distinct. Not saying it was bad, I liked it, but it wasn't "familiar." My father had a similar feeling when he visited Morocco in his youth.

    Is it like that with you in Europe?
    A population & a culture are after all just the result of a mix of different populations/cultures... invasions, trade, climatic change, exchanges, expansions etc... caused it. Populations and cultures are not static and evolved throughout history and whether we want it or not, it will continue that way...
    Especially the Mediterannean basin that has seen a lot of great civilizations, conquests... Mediterannean populations were the same (more or less) or very different at different periods of history.

    Actually, many of our traditionnal dresses are either local or are originated from other Mediterannean regions/cultures like Andalusians or Ottomans. Even our language(s) are a mixture of different ones.

    I was born in France and always lived there so I feel nothing particular about it ;-)

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    A minority pass, don't know the exact percentage.

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    General Algerians: 5%.
    Kabyle Berbers and Amazigh people: 50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    General Algerians: 5%.
    Kabyle Berbers and Amazigh people: 50%.
    Approximately that, I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Ibero-Maurussians despite the name had little in common with Iberians living in the peninsula as far as I am concerned, we don't know even know if both cultures coexisted but given the proximity it is possible.

    R1b (most common haplogroup in Western Europe) represents 10% of Algerian Y-DNA, the highest incidence in North Africa. This was most likely introduced in Algeria through Europeans.
    Well, it's also a big peninsula. In pre-roman times, it was all broken up into different linguistic groups, some "celt" others non-IE. If it did exist, it was probably in the southern most part and the coastal areas, mirroring the Carthaginians or the Phoneticians.

    Quote Originally Posted by MsSPF View Post
    A population & a culture are after all just the result of a mix of different populations/cultures... invasions, trade, climatic change, exchanges, expansions etc... caused it. Populations and cultures are not static and evolved throughout history and whether we want it or not, it will continue that way...
    Especially the Mediterannean basin that has seen a lot of great civilizations, conquests... Mediterannean populations were the same (more or less) or very different at different periods of history.

    Actually, many of our traditionnal dresses are either local or are originated from other Mediterannean regions/cultures like Andalusians or Ottomans. Even our language(s) are a mixture of different ones.

    I was born in France and always lived there so I feel nothing particular about it ;-)
    True, but you have to understand that we don't feel that strangeness with say, France, Italy, and England. There have been changes within the past several thousand years that have made us two very different people, looks notwithstanding. This is especially remarkable given that you were also members of the Roman empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    General Algerians: 5%.
    Kabyle Berbers and Amazigh people: 50%.
    50% , sure
    Not even 1%.

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