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    Quote Originally Posted by Floralys View Post
    The Germans, but the difference is not that big.
    Nevertheless, the Poles are blonder than the South Germans and Austrians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veslan View Post
    Relatively recent statistics on hair colour in Poland:
    Light Blond (13.7%)
    Dark Blond (44.2%)
    Brown (22.6%)
    Auburn (1%)
    Blond-red (3.9%)
    Red (3.8%)
    Black (however, they probably included Dark Brown hair too, because purely black hair is rather rare) (10.8%)

    source https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...72497312001810
    I can't find any recent study on Germany, but maps strongly imply the blond hair colour percentage strongly changes in the South, when it's much less frequent, and because of that, my guess is that Poland might be a bit more blond:

    This study is greatly biased becasue it is partly or mainly based on self-assesment of hair color by study participants. We know how, especially women are biased about their real hair color. Common people especially are useless in dividing between light brown and dark blond category. I'm not sure also how this dermatologist who examined some Polish participants was trained. If he used Martin scale for hair color? I guess not. If it was his observation only it is bullshit, becasue without proper scale to compare he was biased becasue during the day even level of natural light can change color perception.

    Only up to date anthropometric journey in Poland was in 1955-1956 when they examined about 13 722 Polish men and 14 043 women form all regions - Górny S., Zdjęcie antropometryczne Polski. Cz. 1: Pomiary ludności dorosłej z lat 1955-56 [w:] Materiały i Prace Antropologiczne, nr 84, 1972

    As you see this study wasn't biased to prove great Polish blondness and was made by real anthropologists.

    men 17-67 (Martin scale)

    • light blond (A-L, I, III) 6.74%
    • dark blond and red (this minimally) (M-Q, II,V-VI ) 23.05%
    • light brown (R-S) 13.05%
    • medium brown (T-U) 26.51%
    • dark brown mainly, pure black minimal (V-Y) 30.65%


    women 17-67 (Martin scale)

    • light blond (A-L, I, III) 6.32%
    • dark blond and red (this minimally (M-Q, II,V-VI ) 23.8%
    • light brown (R-S) 14.51%
    • medium brown (T-U) 26.61%
    • dark brown mainly, pure black minimal (V-Y) 28.76%



    Map is wrong. It is colorized Coon map of both hair and eyes color mixed with Peter Frost map.

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    You're right. Only small error: scale is Fisher-Saller; Martin is for eye color

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veslan View Post
    Relatively recent statistics on hair colour in Poland:
    Light Blond (13.7%)
    Dark Blond (44.2%)
    Brown (22.6%)
    Auburn (1%)
    Blond-red (3.9%)
    Red (3.8%)
    Black (however, they probably included Dark Brown hair too, because purely black hair is rather rare) (10.8%)

    source https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...72497312001810
    I can't find any recent study on Germany, but maps strongly imply the blond hair colour percentage strongly changes in the South, when it's much less frequent, and because of that, my guess is that Poland might be a bit more blond:
    Again.. England is not a blonde country...The maps about hair color that are around internet are usually very innacurate and created by Americans in the 19 century

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    You're right. Only small error: scale is Fisher-Saller; Martin is for eye color
    Yes..... True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veslan View Post
    Relatively recent statistics on hair colour in Poland:
    Light Blond (13.7%)
    Dark Blond (44.2%)
    Brown (22.6%)
    Auburn (1%)
    Blond-red (3.9%)
    Red (3.8%)
    Black (however, they probably included Dark Brown hair too, because purely black hair is rather rare) (10.8%)

    source https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...72497312001810
    I can't find any recent study on Germany, but maps strongly imply the blond hair colour percentage strongly changes in the South, when it's much less frequent, and because of that, my guess is that Poland might be a bit more blond:
    By this genetic map, most of Germany and Poland are similar, but South Germany seems much darker.
    https://unsafeharbour.files.wordpres...ationgenes.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Again.. England is not a blonde country...The maps about hair color that are around internet are usually very innacurate and created by Americans in the 19 century
    Idiotic! England is a light-haired country as a whole, not necessarily blond in the Scandinavian sense. It is much more blonde than Italy! No comparison, what is your point? This is another map based on genes for light hair and light eyes, way more precise than the 19th century one. It is based on 21st century study! OK!!! Look at Italy and then England!
    https://unsafeharbour.files.wordpres...ationgenes.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukaszM View Post
    This study is greatly biased becasue it is partly or mainly based on self-assesment of hair color by study participants. We know how, especially women are biased about their real hair color. Common people especially are useless in dividing between light brown and dark blond category. I'm not sure also how this dermatologist who examined some Polish participants was trained. If he used Martin scale for hair color? I guess not. If it was his observation only it is bullshit, becasue without proper scale to compare he was biased becasue during the day even level of natural light can change color perception.

    Only up to date anthropometric journey in Poland was in 1955-1956 when they examined about 13 722 Polish men and 14 043 women form all regions - Górny S., Zdjęcie antropometryczne Polski. Cz. 1: Pomiary ludności dorosłej z lat 1955-56 [w:] Materiały i Prace Antropologiczne, nr 84, 1972

    As you see this study wasn't biased to prove great Polish blondness and was made by real anthropologists.

    men 17-67 (Martin scale)

    • light blond (A-L, I, III) 6.74%
    • dark blond and red (this minimally) (M-Q, II,V-VI ) 23.05%
    • light brown (R-S) 13.05%
    • medium brown (T-U) 26.51%
    • dark brown mainly, pure black minimal (V-Y) 30.65%


    women 17-67 (Martin scale)

    • light blond (A-L, I, III) 6.32%
    • dark blond and red (this minimally (M-Q, II,V-VI ) 23.8%
    • light brown (R-S) 14.51%
    • medium brown (T-U) 26.61%
    • dark brown mainly, pure black minimal (V-Y) 28.76%



    Map is wrong. It is colorized Coon map of both hair and eyes color mixed with Peter Frost map.
    No, regardless, most Poles are light-haired too. So that map is not really wrong. It is showing Poland within the light-haired zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Idiotic! England is a light-haired country as a whole, not necessarily blond in the Scandinavian sense. It is much more blonde than Italy! No comparison, what is your point? This is another map based on genes for light hair and light eyes, way more precise than the 19th century one. It is based on 21st century study! OK!!! Look at Italy and then England!
    https://unsafeharbour.files.wordpres...ationgenes.jpg
    According to this "map" Bulgarians should be equally blond as Slovenians, Russians blonder than Swedes and Romanians significantly darker than Bulgarians. This map doesn't show blond hair nor light eyes.

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