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Thread: Israel's attitudes towards the Bosnian War

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    Jews never had special feelings for Serbs, they dont care for Serbs.

    From what I heard irl from israelis, serbs are small fishes for israeli influence.

    Croatia also for that matter.

    But one have to mention special Croatian-Israeli relations in last 5 years, total alliance in military and geopolitics.

    Israeli army came last year to Croatia to honour our army from 90s which created negative reactions in serbia.

    With that move Israel placed itself directly with Croatia when it comes about this region, etc...
    Yes I read about that. Without a hint of irony, given the invective against Serbia itself during the 90's, Serbia criticised Israel for participating in the Croatian military parade commemorating Operation Desert Storm and even likened it to Nazi policy, claiming "the Croatian government wanted to expel and kill all Serbs just as the Nazis wanted to expel and kill all Jews".

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    All the same, Israel certainly sided with Serbia over Croatia during the 90's, not least given Tudjman's anti-Semitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    Neither group in this conflict is innocent. It's odd that when the Bosnian Croats turned on the Bosniaks suddenly there is talk of atrocities conducted against Croats and Bosniak civilians by both sides but yet we are supposed to believe that Croats and Bosniaks didn't do much of anything to Serbian civilians. So they commit horrible atrocities against each other (former allies) but against the main foe they're mostly honorable soldiers? It doesn't work that way.



    Retired major-general Lewis MacKenzie was the first commander of UN peacekeeping forces in Sarajevo.

    As with everything a situation is more complicated than it appears. A horrible event but it didn't come from a void. It was a consequence of previous horrible events targeting Serbian civilians. Two wrongs don't make a right but it's dishonest to pretend people were killed for the sake of being killed. They targeted men and teens 14 and over to share responsibility for those previous attacks on Serbian civilians.
    Too bad 90% of war crimes comitted in Bosnia were comitted by Serbs. Not exactly balanced number haha.

    Do you have a Serbian wife by the way ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    Too bad 90% of war crimes comitted in Bosnia were comitted by Serbs. Not exactly balanced number haha.
    Are you speaking of war crimes during WW2 or in the 90s? You have shown to be as much an expert in one as you are in the other. I don't know if it's 90% and neither do you. What I do know is that it's odd that someone would find humor in atrocities. You're clearly still an immature child. You're too old to be an immature child.

    Do you have a Serbian wife by the way ?
    I've never even knowingly met a Serbian. I've met one Bosniak. I've known one Croatian who I was friendly with. What I did in this thread is referred to as being objective. To be objective one needs to do something called 'read' and I suppose it also helps that - unlike yourself - I don't have personal baggage about my ethnic background: do you have a father who lies about his ethnicity to the the Croatian census and has clearly passed on his insecurity to his half breed son? That is what you project on this forum. The Croatians here don't behave the way you do but then again they have the security of knowing their background isn't suspect. They know they're Croatian.

    EDIT: The other exception is the woman who married Stears but she is clearly mentally ill. You can't hold mental illness against someone.
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    Btw, the section about Israel in the book starts at page 90.

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    Albanians are cucks for not having joined the Germans in large numbers, for having had a communist movement created by Slavs which eventually drove Albania to shit, and for saving Jews as if a rodent knows how to appreciate help.

    Major L all across WW2, not a single good geopolitical or moral move made in that whole period by Albanians.

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    Re my new thread comparing Cuba and Israel: both countries were among the most supportive of the Serbs in the 90's, albeit of course for rather different reasons.

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    To what extent do people agree with this: "In the wildest dreams of neither Israel's staunchest supporters nor harshest detractors has Israel committed anything like the crimes of Serbia and its proxies in this war"? (Footnote 85, page 127).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    To what extent do people agree with this: "In the wildest dreams of neither Israel's staunchest supporters nor harshest detractors has Israel committed anything like the crimes of Serbia and its proxies in this war"? (Footnote 85, page 127).
    If we can regard the massacres of Dier Yassin and others, and Israel's proxy allies like the US bombing and killing over a million Iraqi and displacing millions others on Israel's behalf, supporting the Islamist terrorists of Syria in the Golan Heights, the continuation of Israel's countless violations of international laws, continuing it's human rights abuses against Arabs and others in Israel as second class citizens and so on..Um, no, Israel's crimes is much more worse than the Serbs could ever do, and really, the Serbs were victims to the KLA atrocities in Kosovo that was supported by the US and it's allies. In other words, Israel doesn't give a shit about the Serbs or Croats, and they simply just used the war as an opportunity to sell weapons and etc for money, that's all. They did the same thing in Guatemala where the right winged government that the US still supports committed countless atrocities against the native Mayan peoples where Israel had sold countless weapons and etc to the government. Even the Jewish rabbi who was in direct coalition with Netanyahu, Ovedia Yusef, called gentiles as subhuman donkeys only were created to serve them, so it's not something to be shocked about really.


    His son, Yitzhak Yusef, called Black people as monkeys, and nothing happened to him whatsoever, and even telling others that non-Jews have no place in Israel:
    https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/257...ricans-monkeys
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-...ive-in-israel/

    Remember, he's the chief rabbi of Israel, so he's not some fringe rabbi saying such things. If say a White priest said the same things as him then the whole world would lose their shit. Again, it's not just Israel. Look at the recent war in Yemen by Saudi Arabia. They have killed over 100,000 Yemeni men, women and children, and they intentionally bombed many argulatural farms to starve them as well. Not to mention the countless horrific stories of Saudi army abusing many Yemeni men and women over the years which both the UK and the US are completely silent about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    If we can regard the massacres of Dier Yassin and others, and Israel's proxy allies like the US bombing and killing over a million Iraqi and displacing millions others on Israel's behalf, supporting the Islamist terrorists of Syria in the Golan Heights, the continuation of Israel's countless violations of international laws, continuing it's human rights abuses against Arabs and others in Israel as second class citizens and so on..Um, no, Israel's crimes is much more worse than the Serbs could ever do, and really, the Serbs were victims to the KLA atrocities in Kosovo that was supported by the US and it's allies. In other words, Israel doesn't give a shit about the Serbs or Croats, and they simply just used the war as an opportunity to sell weapons and etc for money, that's all. They did the same thing in Guatemala where the right winged government that the US still supports committed countless atrocities against the native Mayan peoples where Israel had sold countless weapons and etc to the government. Even the Jewish rabbi who was in direct coalition with Netanyahu, Ovedia Yusef, called gentiles as subhuman donkeys only were created to serve them, so it's not something to be shocked about really.


    His son, Yitzhak Yusef, called Black people as monkeys, and nothing happened to him whatsoever, and even telling others that non-Jews have no place in Israel:
    https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/257...ricans-monkeys
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-...ive-in-israel/

    Remember, he's the chief rabbi of Israel, so he's not some fringe rabbi saying such things. If say a White priest said the same things as him then the whole world would lose their shit. Again, it's not just Israel. Look at the recent war in Yemen by Saudi Arabia. They have killed over 100,000 Yemeni men, women and children, and they intentionally bombed many argulatural farms to starve them as well. Not to mention the countless horrific stories of Saudi army abusing many Yemeni men and women over the years which both the UK and the US are completely silent about.
    (1) I wasn't saying I endorsed the author's statement, I was just quoting it to see what people thought. (2) I am aware of the prevalence of racism and extremism across Israeli society; nevertheless, I still cannot quite think of any organisation that has a charter comparable to Hamas, which explicitly states that one must "kill every Jew wherever you can find him" and blames Jews for everything from the French and Communist Revolutions to such trite things as Rotary and Lions clubs. (3) Geopolitics is indeed riddled with bollocks and hypocrisy - however corrupt, authoritarian and inept Nicolas Maduro may be, the fact that his Government and not those of e.g. China or Saudi Arabia is deemed worthy of being sanctioned by the EU and the US is utterly preposterous and back-to-front. (4) The book was written at the height of the Bosnian War, years before Kosovo became a huge issue. (5) Yes, Israel has sold lots of weapons to dodgy regimes, but don't many Western countries do so too? Haven't Russia, China, Cuba and Libya sold weapons and sent soldiers to assist tyrannies and terror groups, albeit at the (supposedly) opposite end of the political spectrum?
    Last edited by Tooting Carmen; 10-26-2019 at 11:32 PM. Reason: To add more points

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