Where did the myth that ethnic French people look mostly Northern European come from?

[Rouxinol]

There's probably more Atlantids types in North Italy than anywhere throughout Iberia. The only time you go in italy its meanwhile you're contemplating some of Sikeliot's dumb threads. Your opinion here is irrelevant whatsoever anyway.

I couldn't care less about how many Atlantids (or lack thereof) there are in Iberia. It's not the subject of this thread. I've been to both countries several times. Besides, I'm an avid consumer of French media (TV shows, politics, magazines, etc). In France, I rarely see those big, hooked noses, in all honesty. When I see them, and check the surname, guess what, it is often Italian...

[JMack]

North Italians from Piedmont posted here didn't look very French. I would say similarity between French and North Italians is overrated. Italians don't look fully western, but central, and some even bit easternish.

I agree. Italians are transitional populations. In the case of North/Central Italians they are transitional between Southwestern Europe (Iberia/South France) and the less paleo-Balkan regions in the Balkans (groups like Serbs and some types of Bosnians/Croatians). A minority of Northern Italians look Swiss (Italian /French/German) and Austrian with typical look for Alpine region.

I've rarely seen there the types of Dinarids and Dinaro-Meds that are so frequent and widespread in Italy.
And in Italy I rarely see Atlantids.

Italy has a lot of Atlantic influence but almost always mixed with other types like Alpine, Dinarid, CM. But types like Atlanto-Alpinid or Atlanto-Dinarid which are quite common in Italy wouldn't be out of place in France. Anyway most French and North Italians are Alpine.

[Rouxinol]

Italy has a lot of Atlantic influence but almost always mixed with other types like Alpine, Dinarid, CM. But types like Atlanto-Alpinid or Atlanto-Dinarid which are quite common in Italy wouldn't be out of place in France. Anyway most French and North Italians are Alpine.

Agree with the underscored statement.

[Deneb]

IDK, but French don't look Southern European either. I can easily tell a group of French and a group of Italians/Spaniards/Portuguese apart.

[aherne]

Ethnic French are far lighter than Italians but far darker than Brits. The NE half approaches levels of South Germans (in terms of skin and eyes pigmentation), but adults are rarely blond at adulthood (5-10%). The SE half is in between Iberians and South Germans in looks. Overall, people of Aryan phenotype are common, except maybe in Gascony. You can easily see random groups that look like this:

[Dna8]

IDK, but French don't look Southern European either. I can easily tell French and Italians/Spaniards/Portuguese apart.

+1

[Regnera]

in some parts of France, maybe less than 1/10 of the country but a part that still exists, people definitely look more northern. I think this part along with the myth that Celts were light haired (just because they were lighter than Romans) lead many people to this distortion

I thought most of ancient Celts have ginger and light brwon hair.

[Regnera]

IDK, but French don't look Southern European either. I can easily tell a group of French and a group of Italians/Spaniards/Portuguese apart.

I think southern French people look similar to central-north Italians and Spaniards.

[Dna8]

In relation to the lighter French and Italians.

The lighter French folk are reminiscent of British people.
The lighter Italian folk are reminiscent of Central Europeans.

IMO.

[coolfrenchguy]

hold on,apparrently who haven't met the french like me,i'am alpinid,celt white like an aspirin tab chesnut with blue eyes and i haven't a single drop of med,britain by my father and bourguignon by my mom,i'am more near of henry cavill (anglo-normand born in jersey) than spanish or italians,but it's true than if you really avoid all the external immigration from spain,portugal and italy and the jewish, than the southern could be a little but swarthy,but not so much,people from moutains are very white indeed like our cousins the swisses on the french side,on the occitan side you have maybe more a mediteranean type but it's not really pop'in like that it's not really obvious
on east some german features in alsace, for example if i take a politician from PAU in bearn,south west ,françois bayrou looks like this

france is a kind of hexagone that you can devide in 4 parts NW NE SW SE
but like every kingdom like in the past we have add parts we have made war,but if you talk about corsica island yes they are bit more latin with raven hairs
yvan colonna (famous corsician separatist) trail family

i mean by that french families with many generations not mixed with external europeans we are more near of english for the southern part of england,french switzerland
the main phenotypes of the french are mainly aplinid,keltic nordid,north atlandid,subnordid,atlandid,atlanto-mediterranid,paleoatlantid (rugbymen from south west very paleoatlantid indeed) and in a less measure north pontid and gracile mediterranid (correspond more too spanish and italians)

racing club of toulon

that's how the french are,i haven't put all the phenotypes because it' take hours,but i have put the southern ones,as you see the real differences with italians,spanish,portuguese, in the south we have probably iberians origins
celts map hallstatt in yellow,i'am the mainstream celt phenotype means middle tall chesnut/light brown blue eyes