Why is the Anglo-Caribbean so homophobic when compared to the Spanish and French Caribbean?

**♥ Lily ♥** · 02-25-2019, 11:43 PM

I don't think it's related to Catholicism vs Protestanism. Irish people are the second largest ethnic group in Jamaica - and the Irish are mostly Catholic.

Irish people in Jamaica or Irish Jamaicans, are Jamaican citizens whose ancestors originated from Ireland. Irish people are the second-largest reported ethnic group in Jamaica, after Jamaicans of African ancestry. Population estimates range from 300,000 to 700,000, making Irish Jamaicans up to 25% of Jamaica's population. Most Jamaicans with Irish ancestry also have African ancestry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people_in_Jamaica

My son's father is West Indie (a common and popular term that's frequently used for Black Caribbean Islanders,) and he's Saint Lucian and was raised as a Catholic and he dislikes gay people. He's asked me a few times why there's so many white men in England who are effeminate and gay.

He speaks English and French and Patois, as Saint Lucia (although a British Commonwealth nation today with Queen Elizabeth II as the head of state of his tropical island nation,) was historically settled by both French and English people who fought in war battles against each other over control of the luxurious island. The French are mostly Catholic.

One of his Christian son's is extremely evangelistic and he goes around preaching the bible to people. (His Saint Lucian mother is a long-time Jehovah's Witness, but she was raised as a Catholic in Saint Lucia. She's also homophobic. She converted to the Jehovah's many years ago after moving to the U.K. after some elderly English Jehovah's knocked on her door and converted her in their Kingdom Hall.)

Northern Ireland is mostly Protestant and is currently governed by the strict DUP party (Democratic Unionist Party) that currently governs the U.K. together in PM May's currrent Conservative-DUP coalition government.

The D.U.P. are anti gay marriage and anti abortion, etc. Gay marriage and abortion are strictly illegal in Protestant Northern Ireland. Yet England and Scotland are predominantly Protestant and Anglican Church of England nations... and these nations are mostly pro-gay. Two of my neighbours (a Scottish man and an English man) have been living together for years in a homosexual relationship.

My father (who has a little Welsh ancestry) was raised in a Catholic school. My maternal grandmother (who has some western Irish ancestry) was also raised in a Catholic school (which she later said was an abusive place towards the children there,) and her parents (my maternal great grandparents) frequently had nuns and priests visiting thier home as they were devout Catholics. I went to an Anglican Church of England school as a child. (Ironically, the first thing I remember being taught as an infant in my primary school (Lady Boswell's Church of England school in the quiet countryside of Kent,) was being taught with the other English children about the Hindu festival of Diwali, and we were also taught in our Church of England infant school to celebrate Indian Pagan cultural festivals.)

The U.K. government has officially stated today that U.K. schools must now by law teach children against homophobia and teach children about LGBT rights in schools. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-47040451

The U.S., Canada, Australia, and NZ are Anglosphere nations with a strong British cultural influence and they're mostly pro LGBT rights, although some homophobia exists in these nations.

So I don't think any homophobia in the Anglo-Caribbean islands is due to the British cultural influence there (given that the UK (except Northern Ireland) is pro LGBT rights, and also given the amount of Irish settlers in Jamaica, and also the French cultural influence in Saint Lucia - for examples,) and I also don't think homophobia is exclusive to the Caribbean Islanders. (Lots of nations in the large continent of Africa, Islamic nations, etc, also have a lot of homophobia present.)

**♥ Lily ♥** · 02-26-2019, 12:23 AM

Archbishop John Sentamu is the second most senior cleric in the Church of England - and he's opposed to gay marriage. https://www.christiantoday.com/artic...iage/88455.htm

He's not a Caribbean Islander - he's from the nation of Uganda in East Africa.

**♥ Lily ♥** · 03-01-2019, 05:58 AM

Saint Lucia prohibits male-on-male sexual activity, punishing those found guilty with 10 years in jail. Saint Lucia was also the only UN member in the Americas to formally oppose the UN declaration on sexual orientation and gender identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucia

The island has both French and English heritage.

Saint Lucia is a predominantly Christian island. About 61.5% of the population is Roman Catholic. Another 25.5% belong to Protestant denominations, (includes Seventh Day Adventist 10.4%, Pentecostal 8.9%, Baptist 2.2%, Anglican 1.6%, Church of God 1.5%, other Protestant 0.9%). Evangelicals comprise 2.3% of the population and 1.1% are Jehovah's Witnesses.

Although Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state for Saint Lucia as it's a British Commonwealth nation, the Prime Minister for Saint Lucia (Allen Chastanet, below) has a French name.

**♥ Lily ♥** · 03-01-2019, 06:19 AM

Homosexual relationships are illegal in at least 15 Caribbean Island nations.

**♥ Lily ♥** · 03-01-2019, 06:32 AM

Irish people are the second largest ethnic group in Jamaica. (That's why Jamaicans have similar rhotic accents to the Irish and they pronounce a lot of words like the Irish.)

Jamaica has been called 'the most homophobic place on earth' by human rights groups. It's a predominantly Christian nation.

**♥ Lily ♥** · 03-01-2019, 06:50 AM

I've noticed a lot of Caribbean island people in London play blatantly homophobic music very loudly in their cars.

'Batty boy' and 'chi chi boi' are common homophobic slurs used by a lot of West Indie people from the Caribbean Isles who speak in both English and Patois. 'Bloodclaat' is a common cussing term in Jamaica, and 'bomboclat' is the king of the cuss words in Patois. Eg; 'Ay star! Hold up! Wha'ya say bwoi?! Wha di bloodclaat gwan? Come now star! Bomboclat batty bwoys.... dem chi chi bwoys fi dead mon! Dem fi gweh.'

People who are familiar with Creole languages and the Patois terms and lingo that's frequently used by Caribbean Isle people will know what it means. 'Chi chi bwoys... dem fi gweh!' is telling gay men to go away.

The lyrics on this (below) are very homophobic. If a white man was to make a homophobic song like that in the UK, they'd be prosecuted for homophobia. But Caribbean people frequently make homophobic music and it's illegal to have gay relationships in many West Indie nations.

0:40 (The comments under this video are also very homophobic with black West Indies calling for gay men to be burned and punched and killed.) The song is calling for gays to be killed when they say 'dem fi dead.'

Buju Banton is a very famous dancehall and ragga artist from Jamaica who also made a lot of homophobic ragga tracks ;- Boom Bye Bye (batty bwoy, bye bye,) being the most famous of them. He made this song at age 15 and 'Boom! Bye bye! Inna batty boy's head... dem fi dead...' is about shooting gay men in the head. 'Women are the prettiest thing god put on this earth.' 'Me no promote no nasty man;- dem fi dead,' is Buju Banton's referral to gay men as 'nasty man.'

This homophobic track calls for gay men to be burned in a fire. I'm not homophobic and I don't think gay people should be terrorised, harmed, or killed. West Indies have a different culture.

I think these guys from south London, UK, are homophobic too.

**♥ Lily ♥** · 03-01-2019, 11:34 AM

'Jamaica has a bad reputation for anti-gay prejudice. This small island in the Caribbean has become notorious not only for its anti-gay laws, political rhetoric and murders, but also for its broad societal acceptance of severe sexual prejudice and openly hostile music.

Most people remember dancehall star Buju Banton, who hit the scene when he was 15 with the hugely popular Boom Bye Bye. The lyrics go: "It's like boom bye bye / Inna batty boy head / Rude boy nah promote no nasty man / Dem haffi dead." Hard to decipher for someone not familiar with Jamaican patois, but Buju is essentially describing shooting a gay man in the head – he doesn't want to "promote no nasty man".

In the decades after, hosts of other dancehall artists took up the banner, such as the group T.O.K. who proclaimed that "chi-chi [gay] man fi dead and that's a fact".'

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...all-homophobia