Southern Albania

[Voskos]

The debate will be endless until some ancient Y-DNA from southern albania gets tested. If i had to take a guess as an amateur I'd expect some R1b-L23, some E-V13, I2a2 M223 and J2a Z515.

[Epirus DNA]

The debate will be endless until some ancient Y-DNA from southern albania gets tested. If i had to take a guess as an amateur I'd expect some R1b-L23, some E-V13, I2a2 M223 and J2a Z515.

Well J2b isn't a sacred Albanian Haplogroup either...

Minoan_Odigitria I9127
mtDNA J2b1a1

[Aspar]

Well J2b isn't a sacred Albanian Haplogroup either...

Minoan_Odigitria I9127
mtDNA J2b1a1

That's mtDNA, NOT ydna!

You seem are confusing those two.

[Epirus DNA]

That's mtDNA, NOT ydna!

You seem are confusing those two.

I appreciate you searching for clarity-- Thank you.

The J2 samples we have from Minoan and Mycenaean are:

Minoan_Odigitria I9127
mtDNA: J2b1a1

Minoan_Lasithi I0073
Y-DNA: J2a1
mtDNA: H

Minoan_Lasithi I0070
Y-DNA: J2a1d
mtDNA: H13a1

Mycenaean I9041
Y-DNA: J2a1
mtDNA: X2

It is a fact that some of the Minoans vaginas were J2b.

[MagnusDark]

Well J2b isn't a sacred Albanian Haplogroup either...

Minoan_Odigitria I9127
mtDNA J2b1a1

That is Mtdna. However, even if we're referring to YDNA J2b1, Albanian J2b is mostly J2b2, so its completely separate. J2b1 is associated possibly with Eastern Cultures.

[Epirus DNA]

That is Mtdna. However, even if we're referring to YDNA J2b1, Albanian J2b is mostly J2b2, so its completely separate. J2b1 is associated possibly with Eastern Cultures.

J2b2-L283: from Neolithic Iran to the Indo-Europeans
SOURCE: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...J2_Y-DNA.shtml

"Both J2b1 and J2b2-L283 are also found at high frequency in Greece and in regions that used to be part of the ancient Greek world (Ionia, Magna Graecia). However they are almost absent from Crete (where J2a1 lineages are dominant). J2b was also not found among Neolithic Anatolian or European farmers, and is absent from central Anatolia. This suggests that J2b was not associated with the Neolithic Greeks nor with the Minoan civilisation, but may well have come to Greece with the Mycenaeans, who also appear to have been pushed out of the Steppe by the advance of the Srubna culture. As a result, both the Illyrians and the Mycenaeans (and possibly the Albanians) would be descended from Middle to Late Bronze Age Steppe migrants to the Southeast Europe, in a migration that was particularly rich in J2b lineages from the Middle Volga region. That would explain why it has been so hard to identify R1a or R1b lineages that could be of Illyrian or Mycenaean origin. The only variety of R1b that is found at reasonably high frequencies in Southeast Europe, and particularly in Greece, is R1b-Z2103, the branch found in the eastern Yamna culture, including the Volga-Ural region."

[RenaRyuguu]

HAPLOGROUP J2A1D Alexandria

[vbnetkhio]

It is pretty dumb to say Tosks are albanised Vlachs when Vlachs are language shifters, nothing original about them.
More correct would be to say Vlachs are romanised Albanians, Greeks and other native Balkan tribes than the opposite.

but those Vlachs are immigrants from Dacia.. not romanised locals

[Varda]

Irini Qirjako is ethnic Greek from Finiq in southern Albania, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5hKjghyNdI