Do Italian Americans have a stronger or weaker MENA element than South Italians/Sicilians back home?

[Voskos]

I guess so. One reason is they mostly originate from the poorer regions of the south and another they probably intermarry with American Jews.

[Dna8]

Paternal Uncle

My perception:

First guy clearly Euro
Second gentleman clearly West Asian

*Clarity rating at about 7-8/10

[Sikeliot]

I guess so. One reason is they mostly originate from the poorer regions of the south and another they probably intermarry with American Jews.

I thought Italian Americans look less, not more, Near Eastern. You seem to say the opposite (as do some others) so my view is not universally shared.

Jewish Americans and Italian Americans do overlap a lot but I would not include mixed people in my assessment nor did I take them into account.

[Voskos]

I only know italian americans from youtube and TV/cinema. The general impression is a lot of berids and southern dinarics, but i could be wrong.In the case of Greek americans , I noticed a tendency for way woggier looks.

[Sikeliot]

I only know italian americans from youtube and TV/cinema. The general impression is a lot of berids and southern dinarics, but i could be wrong.In the case of Greek americans , I noticed a tendency for way woggier looks.

So I don't understand your poll choice above then, which suggests you think Italian Americans are more Near Eastern looking than actual Sicilians and Calabrians. Sounds like you agree with me, then, that Near Eastern looks are UNDERrepresented in Italian Americans compared to the source population.

As for Greek Americans they tend to be Pontic, Anatolian Greek, and from very remote islands so that could explain it. I definitely think they are darker than the average Greek from Greece which look distinctly European by and large.

Though I do notice areas where Sicilian/Calabrian ancestry predominates and there is less Campanian/Abruzzese tend to have more Armenoid type looks.

[Voskos]

Agree with you then. I suppose near eastern looks are underrepresented compared to the far south and overrepresented compared to the north.

[Sikeliot]

Agree with you then. I suppose near eastern looks are underrepresented compared to the far south and overrepresented compared to the north.

Yes. My personal belief is that much of the Italian American set of phenotypes is influenced by the area south of Lazio, north of Calabria such as Campania, Apulia, and Abruzzo. Which reflects the evidence that the Near Eastern element is highest in Sicily/Calabria and drops off quite fast once you move north of there, just as it drops off fast in mainland Greece.

Do you agree with me that Greek Americans do not look like average Greeks from Greece? I think the Slavic and Balkan elements in Greece is severely underrepresented in Greek Americans, who tend to look anywhere from South Italian (if islander) to Armenian (if Pontic). Those descended from Peloponnesian Greeks just look South European in a generalized sense, even Iberian like.

[Voskos]

Yeah Greek americans are woggy as shit, usually they're chosen to represent arabs and hispanics in tv.

[Sikeliot]

Yeah Greek americans are woggy as shit, usually they're chosen to represent arabs and hispanics in tv.

I think this is because a disproportionate number of them descend from people who were from Anatolia, whether Anatolian, Cappadoccian or Pontic. Not much room for the Slavic element to show there unlike if all Greeks here were from the mainland.

My belief is people familiar with both Italian and Greek Americans going to both Greece (mainland) and Sicily would be shocked, but in opposite directions.

Though on the other hand people DO mix up Italian and Jewish Americans often so clearly there is *some* Near Eastern represented but I remember seeing that if you add up Campanian and Abruzzese ancestry it's higher than Sicilian and Calabrese here.

[Voskos]

The below actor is a recent greek immigrant to US, he was representing an ukrainian mobster.gives a different vibe than typical italian and greek americans.